Here it is. looking for info and value (http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t657/bcblaster/sks/DSC01760_zpsyb5sef7d.jpg)
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Almost looks the part, but the painted rear cover makes me think its seen some level of rework.
Concur, the stock looks good, though I didn't see the picture of the right side of buttstock and left side of stock around cross bolt area. But the paint on the receiver cover makes me suspect it may have been refurbed
90 degree gas block, take down lever with hole, gas piston lever,spike bayonet. these are the things that on Gunboards the guys told new owner his had and was the holy grail of sks collectors. his had original stock but did have refurb stamp on dust cover, between star and year stamp. yours don't have refurb stamp there, not sure it's not somewhere else but yours has 90 degree gas block and spike bayonet. they said maybe 2 in the USA. 1949's very rare and most converted to blade bayonets. they told him easy $2000, you need to do more research to find out more of what you have. could be another one and then there were 4 in the USA.
if you want to read whats on gunboards.com go to sks look for "1949 tula sks found today" it's on first page. he only has 3 pics posted.
just go to next post here and you can read about the other one. just seen it after i posted here. has link to story on gunboards
the photo of the magazine hurts my eyes, modification on magazines is one big thing I don't like about Russian SKS's imported in Canada.
To OP: it is definitely a gorgeous 1949, congratulations!!
Thanks for posting and welcome!
Have the SNs been double-struck or over-struck on the bolt carrier and magazine? The 9 on the stock year looks a bit like a 0 in the pic, in any case the last 9 looks different than the second 9 in 1949 think1
yes the one 9 looks a little off but there is no refurb marks what so ever receiver is not painted just worn off a little barrel is crisp every thing matches even the numbers under the gas tube .where would you find out more about it
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on November 08, 2015, 10:00:07 PM
Thanks for posting and welcome!
Have the SNs been double-struck or over-struck on the bolt carrier and magazine? The 9 on the stock year looks a bit like a 0 in the pic, in any case the last 9 looks different than the second 9 in 1949 think1
noticed that too. and is just me or does the star stamped in the stock look a little, well different then other stars ? not wanting to take anything away from it but like you say lot of double stamping and such. not matching s/n anyway but still a great find. i'd like to have it.
the 0 or 9 stamp on stock would need to look at up close. sometimes they don't look right at an angle. got into a discussion with a seller on gunbroker about a m39 finn about a 9 or 6 stamp in the stock and he did want to send better picture. told me to not bid on any of his stuff, lol. i told him not a problem. don't want to do something as simple as send A pic don't want to spend my 100's of dollars on them anyway.
Quote from: bcblaster on November 08, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
yes the one 9 looks a little off but there is no refurb marks what so ever receiver is not painted just worn off a little barrel is crisp every thing matches even the numbers under the gas tube .where would you find out more about it
the dark stuff on receiver cover is not original bluing.
Loose}{Cannon was referring to the receiver cover being painted, not the receiver. You can see the sharp edges, bluing doesn't wear that way. Originally they were blued and painting is considered a sign of refurbishment.
The star doesn't concern me too much since there was a lot of variability in those, even in the 1950 SKSs.
Of course, I've held exactly 0 (zero) 1949s so take my word with a grain of salt...I'm just studying the pics available. As wacman85 pointed out all of the characteristic physical features are there, including a cruciform spike bayonet (not a Chinese like on the fakes). I think it's only a question of refurbishment, and I certainly wouldn't care if I had a refurb...if it was a '49 :)
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on November 08, 2015, 10:26:39 PM
Loose}{Cannon was referring to the receiver cover being painted, not the receiver. You can see the sharp edges, bluing doesn't wear that way. Originally they were blued and painting is considered a sign of refurbishment.
The star doesn't concern me too much since there was a lot of variability in those, even in the 1950 SKSs.
Of course, I've held exactly 0 (zero) 1949s so take my word with a grain of salt...I'm just studying the pics available. As wacman85 pointed out all of the characteristic physical features are there, including a cruciform spike bayonet (not a Chinese like on the fakes). I think it's only a question of refurbishment, and I certainly wouldn't care if I had a refurb...if it was a '49 :)
+1 ^
bc, did you look at and read about the other 49' here? it's has refurb stamp and is still a great find. your's is a great find too. but like your doing i would try to find out all i could so as to nail down a price just case the future requires you to sale.
i think things that are being talked about here are only being said so as to give you food for thought nothing more. not a person here that wouldn't wish this had come their way, i think, thumb1
not a 100% but seems as though i've been told that no refurb stamps may not mean no refurb. think i was told that on a russian m44 i have that's 100% #'s matching down to the imprint in the wood under tang. so as others have told me more then once never say never.
just a bunch of jibber jabber i'm saying here maybe some will make sense or maybe not. dance2
awesome info guys the other one has a little more definition on the stamping on the stock. rest is the same all numbers match,little lighter stock colour i did wipe the cosmo off it mabe post pict tomorrow wifes in bed lol . budy waited 6 months for the crate of 15 and i got first pick clap1
Quote from: bcblaster on November 08, 2015, 10:46:34 PM
awesome info guys the other one has a little more definition on the stamping on the stock. rest is the same all numbers match,little lighter stock colour i did wipe the cosmo off it mabe post pict tomorrow wifes in bed lol . budy waited 6 months for the crate of 15 and i got first pick clap1
so does that mean i get second pick cause we're friends now? come on help out an old poor dog on the hunt.
just kidding, good to have friends like that. it's how i got my LB and "B" series m59's. gentleman was kind enough to even give a month to get money together, don't come upon that everyday. at least i don't.
russian wise i only have a refurb, xxxxx out stock number [/] dust cover. but hope to find, when money is right, a as-issued or original Tula and a Izhevsk. it's just dumping dollars on Finnish m39's right now too. been doing pretty good on those. next one i'm getting is a no-name no-date m39. another nice guy giving me time to round up the oh dollars. you know you can get a rope on them but can't always pull them in, their so slim. thankyou1
Raspootyn is a member here. thumb1
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 08, 2015, 11:22:52 PM
Raspootyn is a member here. thumb1
great guy to do business with.
thanks wacman lots of that stuff up here . great help just price checkin ,need to know if iam holding the grail or just another glass .thanks wes in the year of 1949
Quote from: bcblaster on November 08, 2015, 11:34:40 PM
thanks wacman lots of that stuff up here . great help just price checkin ,need to know if iam holding the grail or just another glass .thanks wes in the year of 1949
just from the pike bayonet and 90 degree gas block i say need to hang onto it and study it more. if turns out to be grail nothing but up in price and if not you're not out any more $ either. only thing i can say is wrong with it is you have it and i don't cry1, lol
I think that knowing that Westrifle is selling two '49s that aren't quite as nice as yours for CAD$650 (http://westrifle.com/wrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=1991
http://westrifle.com/wrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=2039) I'd say you have something fairly special there. In the states that rifle is likely $2k to maybe $5k when the buyer and seller both know what it is. I don't think we are going to be able to tell you exactly what the Canadian market will bear, but I bet .ca prices will continue to increase as long as the supply is disrupted.
I go hunting for a day and then a beautiful 49' comes up!!
WOW what a nice carbine!! That is one rare bird I think I have seen one or two other 49 stamped stocks.....even in Canada thats a keeper to never let go, I don't even want to know what it would bring in the states...I think RM's guess of 2k might be a little low.
Congrats on the great find!! I'm super jealous!! drool2
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 08, 2015, 08:52:18 PM
Almost looks the part, but the painted rear cover makes me think its seen some level of rework.
I would love too see more pics of the stock but the paint on the cover looks to me like the same type of stuff on the butt of a lot of non-refurbs, what it is I do not no, but I wouldn't rule out non-refurb quite yet.... I wish I could get my hands on it....its soooo pretty smack1
Hell.. I had an obvious refurb with that stuff on the butt. Which one indicates what? Chicken or the egg?
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 09, 2015, 11:48:44 AM
Hell.. I had an obvious refurb with that stuff on the butt. Which one indicates what? Chicken or the egg?
mmmm.....chicken....I love chicken, lets go with chicken, maybe buffalo chicken on the grill. :)
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 09, 2015, 11:48:44 AM
Hell.. I had an obvious refurb with that stuff on the butt. Which one indicates what? Chicken or the egg?
The question is did they do it during refurb or was it there before. I have no idea I just think we can't rule it out its not a typical refurb paint.
It could be that stuff they put on the buttplates, bet we dont even know if thats 'original' from tula or the part of some rework process. Seeing I had a rework with this characteristic, I dont feel its going to make or break the verdict on this one.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on November 09, 2015, 01:49:42 PM
It could be that stuff they put on the buttplates, bet we dont even know if thats 'original' from tula or the part of some rework process. Seeing I had a rework with this characteristic, I dont feel its going to make or break the verdict on this one.
Yeah I agree who knows, maybe there all light refurbs we really will never know but in the end it would be nice to know what the real truth is. I also agree it doesn't matter a bunch on this one its as close to original as I have seen so it kinda trumps us picking it apart.
hello boys still looking at 49? send you some picts of the other one i have any more thoughts dance2
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here's the other one
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very nice!!! thank you for sharing those pictures!!
little prob with the clip wants to keep showing little bit rust spots should it be re blued? or just keep fighting it with oil
That's odd, the second '49 posted has the same serial number as my Russian!
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Pretty neat eh Danny?! I'd say that's pretty conclusive proof that the Ruskies most certainly reused prefixes and numbers. The $64,000 question is what is the frequency which this occurred and what was the pattern for prefix assignment. thumb1
Nice gun OP. I wouldn't cold blue anythings on that gun. I know the magazine is already mangled with that tear inducing 5 round limit job, but there's something to be said for keeping as much of the original finish on it as possible.
This is an odd gun to me. Stock almost seems restamped to me as does the receiver cover S/N. BO is certainly a different height than the numbers on a majority of the S/N stampings. What's the story behind these guns? Were they bought as '49s, or simply randomly pulled out of crates?
Quote from: bcblaster on November 10, 2015, 09:20:22 PM
little prob with the clip wants to keep showing little bit rust spots should it be re blued? or just keep fighting it with oil
I don't care if it's a '49, even in 1949, it was still a magazine.......clips load magazines, yeah, I'm that guy ... :)
Nice rifle by the way thumb1
Looks like two layers of shellac...
Another nice Canadian gun. Not sure if they come anymore original even up there.
hey running man trade you clips :o way to creepy for me. is yours a 49 also? both these were picked out of a crate a buddy bought. keep looking but theres no third brother ,lots of 54s . mabe they just can't count past 10 thumb1
Quote from: bcblaster on November 11, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
hey running man trade you clips :o way to creepy for me. is yours a 49 also? both these were picked out of a crate a buddy bought. keep looking but theres no third brother ,lots of 54s . mabe they just can't count past 10 thumb1
it's same here in the US. So far 1954 Tula is most common
last night same serial numbers were posted as my 49 tula. anymore theory about this is it also a 49?
Danny's gun with the same S/N is a mid year gun. It is a refurb with a '53 Tula receiver cover. The cover could be scrubbed and replaced and the gun could easily be a 53 Izhevsk as other Izhevsks are known with the BO prefix. The Russians reused prefixes, it's very common to see the same prefix on guns several years apart. I have yet to see identical prefixes in consecutive years, but it could be that our data set is too small to see something like that still.
The identical number thing is just one of those things that statistically has to happen once in a while just like winning the lotto. The odds of any two given rifles matching are 1/X^2 assuming there are X rifles (anywhere from 2k up to 10k) per prefix. 2k rifles per prefix gives 1/4,000,000, 10k gives 1/100,000,000. Pretty long odds!
thanks for the info thumb1 great data from all clap1
Quote from: running-man on November 08, 2015, 11:46:22 PM
I think that knowing that Westrifle is selling two '49s that aren't quite as nice as yours for CAD$650 (http://westrifle.com/wrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=1991
http://westrifle.com/wrstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=20&products_id=2039) I'd say you have something fairly special there. In the states that rifle is likely $2k to maybe $5k when the buyer and seller both know what it is. I don't think we are going to be able to tell you exactly what the Canadian market will bear, but I bet .ca prices will continue to increase as long as the supply is disrupted.
some 1949s sold by Westrifle do look weird. I looked through some online Russian SKS pictures I saved earlier and found this 1949 (Serial number: EУ41). It still has correct Russian spike bayonet but the stock and ferrule are for blade bayonet. The buttstock is stamped Tula star, 1949 г, and 41 without Cyrillic prefix. What's going on??
There's definitely something going on there, I've found many descrepancies in westrifle's guns too. So much so that I've purged many of them from the database as they are simply unreliable specimens. There were some that even showed up with a Tula star cartouche on the stock and a '1956' date underneath them on a gun that was clearly an pre '54 specimen. :-\
Not saying that WR is shady, maybe the Ukrainians are pulling a fast one on them? Either way, a humped gun is a humped gun. One of the unfortunate pitfalls that the Mauser, Garand, and Luger guys have learned to deal with that we as SKS guys will likely need to learn in the not so distant future.