Hey guys,
Just wanted to check in and ask a question or 2. As the subject states, I purchased an SKS M today. Not sure it will ever be anything other than a beater rifle as bubba had a good time with it. I will post some pictures when I get the chance. But I will list off basically what he did.
1. Removed the front sight and the neutered bayo lug(or what would have been one) then moved the front sight to where that used to be. So from the front sight to the end of the barrel is about 3 inches. I cannot repair that.. but might put on muzzle brake to make it look cleaner
2. Carved out wood on both sides of the stock to expose the metal box mounted in the stock. Don't have any idea why.. but .. I think I can fix that and fill it back in.
3. notched the rear sight
4. Cut the front sight hood off the top.
5. did some trigger work on it as it is very smooth, but I still think I am going to send it to Kivaari.
I know all that sounds bad.. but it looks like it is in pretty good shape overall. The LGS had $429.00 on the rifle. However told me he just needed $300.00. So I took it, it also came with 2 mags. A 30 round and a 10 round. I don't feel like I did too bad even with the stuff listed above. And when I get some time I will post some pictures. But what are initial thoughts?
My first thoughts are...repairable.
Sound like bubba should have just flipped the fsb around. Lol Perhaps you can just replace it and ground the bayo lug to match what an M should be. The rear leaf is easily replaceable. And Adam7 may have a stock... I'll ask him for you.
I agree with LC, it's doesn't sound all that bad quite honestly. You might get away with swapping out FSB like he said and simply grinding the bayo lug to fix both #1 and #4. Unless he welded or got crazy with the Dremel, you might not even know that anything was done.
#3 is a piece of cake, and you have a handle on #5. #2 is the probably the toughest one to 'restore'. No idea why anyone would try and do that to a stock. They are not impossible to find, but they aren't at every corner LGS either. Oftentimes when you do find them, the seller wants a pretty penny for them too.
Hope it's not too bad! thumb1
Thanks guys,
I have already taken care of #3. Not too mechanically inclined so #1 may be a challenge
I would use a dremel with a thin cutting disc and carefully slice it front/back and it will fall right off. The replacement can be tapped on easily with something softer then steel to absorb the impact.... Chunk of aluminum is what I have used. Its much much easier to put on then to take off.
I may give that a whirl... if all else fails and I cannot get one on there.. a Prince50 sight would work wouldn't it? In a pinch.
Quote from: agrace on May 03, 2016, 04:43:26 PM
I may give that a whirl... if all else fails and I cannot get one on there.. a Prince50 sight would work wouldn't it? In a pinch.
It would, but Im certain you will get a new one on.... Can simply invert the barreled receiver and smack it muzzle down on a block of wood. A rubber mallot or similar can be used to tap/rotate as needed for alignment.
I may have a fsb assembly minus the adjustable post and cross barrel it screws into, but I think it needs blued. I could always degrease and dunk in the black oxide. I can also cut/grind the lug prior. thumb1
Thanks LC. What would you want for that? I could use the cross barrel and the post from this one I have on here. I am game to give it a shot, I need to find another retaining pin. I have one on the sight that is on there now. But I would need 2 for the entire FSB wouldn't I?
My treat.... Dont mention it.
They have two cross pins, but they will likely not both lineup with the original cross grooves in the barrel. Just line up one and pin it.... You can then redrill the second to make it accept a pin, or leave it out.
You sure? That is awesome!! And if one pin will hold it, I can just go with that. If I get brave I can use a small drill bit and make a notch and get a pin to fit.
Roger that..
I'll be home in about 5-7 days and I'll dig it out.
Hardest part in my opinion will be to cut ONLY the fsb and not the barrel... In fact, i would first attempt to stop short with the cut at the front and rear and tap it off as 90% of the holding survace area would be eliminated at that point. If you go through a tiny bit into the barrel, it will be covered by the new fsb. Make sence?
Yup makes sense. I am actually going to try and remove the pin and knock if off. I didn't make it clear I don't think, but he took the front sight base off, cut off the bayo lug or cut it in half and then just put the front sight part back on. I will see if I can get some pic's up. The solution you have will still work. Just shaking my head at the way he did it. And why he did it :)
Yeah, post up a pic.... If its not a full length of fsb then it may just knock right off thar because alot of the mating surface is non existent. thumb1
Anyone have a closup pic of how the bayo lug is ground on the M?
M's should be exactly the same as my Clayco M8. Spring loaded ball to hold the cleaning rod in place. You likely can't replicate that, but you could probably get pretty close to the original squared off profile:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/Clayco_M8/100_0698.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/Clayco_M8/100_0704.jpg)
Spring, ball, and a little plate thats detented in place huh..... Is the hole already through the unit where the spring/ball goes? Cant remember.
Here is a pic of what he did.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/agrace69/SKS%20M/20160503_164736.jpg)
Here's what a lug on a SKS 63 looks like. No ball detent and is much shorter. Maybe that might be easier to turn the bayo lug into?
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/AK%20Mag/8807614_right_muzzle.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/AK%20Mag/8807891_muzzle.jpg)
You could always go with a complete bayo lug delete too like on a MC5D, but that wouldn't be true to the M's original heritage:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/AK%20Mag/9380613_left_front.jpg)
Laugh, I can clearly see that that they are all M's or D's ONLY. My gosh, what a fantasy world. Besplode
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on May 03, 2016, 05:49:17 PM
Spring, ball, and a little plate thats detented in place huh..... Is the hole already through the unit where the spring/ball goes? Cant remember.
No, I think they are newly cast/milled units. I don't think there's enough meat on an original FSB to account for all that height. Might be why the 63's are so much shorter.
Ok Agrace... That will come right off. Lol.
It actually looks like the M lug isn't simply ground off.... Its a special critter all its own. If you simply cut off a regular unit ears, it wont have the same block mass remaining.
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/574/928510940/wm_2602146.jpg)
Damit RM... Too fast.
Yeah.... That 63 is what it will have to look like.
thumb1 Won't look too bad.
XXX is probably about the only guy I know who would be able to point out the discrepancy from across the room anyhow! chuckles1
Your in luck Agrace.... Adam may have a stock. Says if he remembers, it needs a crack repair and refinished. Are you able to do that? If not, I can.
unfortunately no.. I am not blessed in the mechanical nor wood working arts. I scrape by and wait or just finally pay someone. I am currently trying to soak the font sight that is left on there in the hopes I can knock it off and try and get another one on. That is going to be quite a challenge for me, I know that sounds bad.. but some folks are blessed in that area(my dad, brothers.. you guys) but I am not.
thanks for all the help though.. it is greatly appreciated. Going to see if I can get some pics of the entire rifle here in a bit.
This is a carlo stock right? Adam has one cracked and needs refinished. If interested, we can have him send it to me and I'll take care of it for you. Im waiting for pics.
Yes, it is the Monte Carlo stock. Just replied to your PM
Here are a few more pics. And of the stock where he cut out the sides. Not sure what he was hoping to accomplish with that.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/agrace69/SKS%20M/20160503_204009.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/agrace69/SKS%20M/20160503_204004.jpg)
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(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/agrace69/SKS%20M/20160503_203936.jpg)
The sides are cut out so a drum can be attached. Normally they won't fit.
WHY!!!!! WHY!!!!!! bat1
Here is Adams stock.... Should clean up nicely. You should send me the handguard so I can match it correctly.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_1139.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_1141.jpg)
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Another small question. What is the trick to getting the mag release back in? The pin and the spring both came out on me. Both sides need to be peened so it doesn't happen again. But now I cannot get the thing back in there with the spring. .. sigh... I searched for how to do it for sks M but nothing came back. Tried to do it like an AK but something doesn't look right there either.
Update -- Got the old front sight off. Bubba pinned it, but also glued it or something, had to heat it up just a bit to get it loose and off of there. Also shot Kivarri and e-mail asking about redoing the trigger as I think Bubba went there too, I hope he can put the mag release back on when I send it in.
Im sure he can... I dunno how they go together.
Yup he can :) .. getting ready to get it shipped out tomorrow or the next day to let him work on it.
Hows this hoss?
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20160508_085448293.jpg)
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring001/IMG_20160508_085455332.jpg)
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Man.. that looks awesome. It will be very hard to tell it is not the original once I get it slide on there. Not that it matters as the rifle won't go anywhere. I have needed an M in my collection for some time. Thanks LC and Adam7 for the parts, work and thank everyone for all the advice and thoughts.
Here is another sad question. What are the chances in finding an SKS M trigger group?
Slim to none on the trigger group. If you didn't want to press the new fsb on I was going to suggest the prince 50 paratrooper front sight. As far as stocks go they are out there but expensive.
Thanks, so far I have the stock and the new FSB covered(Adam7 and Loose Cannon fixed me up, great guys). I sent my trigger to Kavaari, he found some things the previous owner did that needed to be undone, however he can fix it. So crisis averted. Thanks for the replies though!
agrace
Wanted to take a minute to praise Tom for some recent work on the trigger group on this M. Bubba had played with it quite a bit. The trigger pull didn't feel right, and I could see where someone had tried to do something with the disconnector, and the magazine release pin fell out causing the release to come out, I could not for the life of me get it back in. So I sent off my trigger to have him give it a going over and put it in tip top shape. Without going into details of exactly what bubba did I will just say it was not good. Tom contacted me, we talked thru a course of action and he proceeded to corrrect\repair my trigger. Which he did in fine fashion, placed in my rifle, threw in a snap cap and it works like a charm, smooth, crisp, perfect. I can't wait to finish this one up and take it to the range. If anyone wants a smoother, crisper, better trigger, Tom is your man.
Thanks Tom for great work and a reasonable price for what you had to do. It is greatly appreciated.
agrace(very pleased customer)
Awesome agrace! thumb1
Make sure to post up some photos of what the final product turned out like. We can get a before and after comparison, this has been a great restoration project & I've enjoyed seeing the progress you've made. clap1
Quote from: running-man on June 27, 2016, 08:04:12 PM
Awesome agrace! thumb1
Make sure to post up some photos of what the final product turned out like. We can get a before and after comparison, this has been a great restoration project & I've enjoyed seeing the progress you've made. clap1
+1
Mmmmmm..... shellac. Cannon love him some shellac. :)
Nothing like brushing Lac bug poop all over someone's stock. fart1
awesome, can't wait! I am going to try and get some better detailed before and after pics posted up when I get it all back together!
Here you go agrace...
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring002/IMG_20160715_134037396.jpg)
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WOW! That is truly awesome, I really mean that, I cannot thank you enough! There is no way under the sun I could have done anything remotely close to that. Especially starting out with the green beast that you had to start with :)
As promised, here are a couple of quick pictures of the almost finished rifle. I have to touch up the blue on the end of the barrel and a couple of other spots. Somehow I pulled off getting the FSB on there without cant. LC did a great job on the stock and ground down an FSB for me. A huge thanks to everyone but honestly without LC this thing would not have made it this far at all. Thanks LC.
I will post some more when I get a bit more time.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/agrace69/SKS%20M/D2.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb443/agrace69/SKS%20M/D1.jpg)
Looks great!
Looking good! Well done to all involved on this project! clap1 thumb1
Turned out most excellent!! thumb1
Many would be hard pressed to tell that this gun had actually been bubba'd so badly. You're a credit to the collecting community Agrace for seeing this one all the way through to the end and correcting everything that needed done even down to the TG. Excellent job to be proud of (obviously with help from LC and co., but you had the finished product in your mind and saw it through!)
AWESOME everyone...congratulations agrace! clap1 clap1 clap1
That stock came out looking great. Glad it was of use! Good job lc on the refinish
Quote from: Adam7 on September 07, 2016, 01:26:42 PM
That stock came out looking great. Glad it was of use! Good job lc on the refinish
Dude! :)
There she is.... Lookin great! thumb1