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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => The Trinity Rifles => Topic started by: escobert on July 05, 2016, 12:10:44 PM

Title: NK SKS
Post by: escobert on July 05, 2016, 12:10:44 PM
Saw a topic on a Mosin board where a guy had 3 north Korean SKS's lined up. He compared them with Russians to show the differences. You should be able to see the pics and read the post without being a member. http://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=24772

EDIT: Did not see his OP was from 2011! Sorry, I'm sure you guys have seen these.  :-X
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Phosphorus32 on July 05, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Still good stuff and the OP martin08 is a member here too. I've never held or seen in person a single NK SKS let alone three at the same time  :o
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Dannyboy53 on July 06, 2016, 10:09:40 AM
Fascinating stuff in spite of it's age escobert, I have not seen this. Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on July 06, 2016, 10:20:12 PM
Believe there was two he was selling for someone else and he took a group shot with his NK.   
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: escobert on July 07, 2016, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on July 06, 2016, 10:20:12 PM
Believe there was two he was selling for someone else and he took a group shot with his NK.

Yup, that's the way I understood it. Although I wonder where that 4th one in the final pick came from :p
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Phosphorus32 on July 07, 2016, 12:10:58 PM
I'm curious about that too.  He never answered that question.

He also kept the one at the top with the GL paraphernalia.
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: CuSks on September 05, 2016, 09:47:21 PM
There is one out on gunbroker if you have 2 Grand and know where to look. ;)

Out of my price range....  cry1
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Donp236 on September 09, 2016, 08:22:34 AM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on July 05, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Still good stuff and the OP martin08 is a member here too.

He is also a me member of  http://p38forum.com/forums/index.php

So for him it's rarity, condition and condition.
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: martin08 on September 13, 2016, 11:17:07 PM
So, does anyone really want to know where the fourth NK came from?
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Direct Connection on September 13, 2016, 11:49:25 PM
Yes the floor is yours shorthorn.. Were listening  thumb1
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: martin08 on September 14, 2016, 06:58:16 AM
In several years since I posted about the multiple NK SKS carbines, no one has ever asked about the mysterious fourth gun!

It's all a hoax.   :)

The fourth one is really a Russian refurb in a laminate stock with a Type-63 receiver cover installed.  Back in 2010, a returning Afghan War Veteran posted an  Armslist ad for a "Japanese SKS Bolt Group".  He captured the whole gun on a recon mission, and pulled the bolt group before turning the rest of the gun in for destruction.  I bought the lot from him for $100, figuring I could have some fun with it.

Here's a pic  or two of what remains of a destroyed SKS from Afghanistan.   Then, what it looks like when installed on a well worn Chinese letter gun.  And last pic, on a Russian with laminate stock (far left).

(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/bolt_group2.jpg)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/bolt_group1.jpg)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/NVA_capture_E_ger_013.jpg)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/threeNKsks_010.jpg)

Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Phosphorus32 on September 14, 2016, 07:34:24 AM
Fascinating! So you hold evidence of a NK SKS in Afghanistan! It pains me to think of the destruction of the rare SKS. I don't suppose he provided any pictures of the carbine along with its cover and BCG.
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on September 14, 2016, 07:38:09 AM
I remember you buying that cover... I didn't know you put it on a rifle.   rofl
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: martin08 on September 14, 2016, 08:03:20 AM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on September 14, 2016, 07:34:24 AM
Fascinating! So you hold evidence of a NK SKS in Afghanistan! It pains me to think of the destruction of the rare SKS. I don't suppose he provided any pictures of the carbine along with its cover and BCG.

No theater pics.  Just the story, but very believable coming straight from the Vet.  He thought it was Japanese, and didn't know it was North Korean until I told him.
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Phosphorus32 on September 14, 2016, 07:48:03 PM
Well, the cover, and let’s assume it was attached to an NK SKS (not a Chinese or Russian SKS, as in your pics  :)) ) ended up in Afghanistan.  That's as far as we can go with facts.  How it got there is interesting to consider, but involves pure speculation. 

Okay, I'll speculate.  Of the first ring countries around Afghanistan, three are former USSR republics and it seems unlikely that they would have had any North Korean weapons, since the flow would have gone in the other direction, USSR to DPRK.  Both Pakistan and Iran established relations with DPRK in 1972 and Afghanistan in 1973, after Khan seized control of the country.  Pakistan and Iran are two of just 24 countries with an embassy in Pyongyang and two of 46 countries hosting a DPRK embassy in their country. Afghanistan has neither of these formal diplomatic establishments. If a shipment of arms was sent to one of these countries from NK I would guess it would more likely be to Pakistan than Afghanistan or Iran, since Pakistan was perhaps more desperate for arms in the 60's and 70's with respect to its ongoing wars/skirmishes with India, and recent separation (1973) from Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan).  Iran was a US ally during this Cold War period, so I doubt that they would have received arms from NK. The arms could have gone directly to Afghanistan. President Mohammed Daoud Khan did tilt toward the Soviet/communist sphere from 1973 to about 1977 when he asserted greater independence from the USSR (probably his death sentence) and they did receive aid from the USSR and perhaps other communist countries.

Of course, if the North Korean SKS(s) came in on the black market arms trade to the Taliban or one of the former Mujahadeen groups in the 80's through 10's, which seems to be an even more likely scenario than direct government to government aid/trade, they could have come from anywhere where they were captured, sold, or stolen, perhaps even Southeast Asia.
Title: Re: NK SKS
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on September 14, 2016, 07:56:54 PM
Who knows...  But several East German sks have been seen in pictures outta Syria.