I'm pretty sure that I found one. I've done some research and have read the sticky thread above. I'm a little tight right now but I'm considering it...no!....yes?...no!....maybe?....no!.... :-\
What does a good example of these usually go for?
go buy it and post some pictures here.
Price REALLY depends on what you got...
Serial range?
Blued carrier?
Laminate stock?
Stock matching?
Painted arab rack number?
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 19, 2016, 09:46:32 PM
Price REALLY depends on what you got...
Serial range?
Blued carrier?
Laminate stock?
Stock matching?
Painted arab rack number?
If you have a pic but don't want to share it publicly right now, PM it to LC...
Serial range? 12 million
Blued carrier? Yup
Laminate stock? Yup
Stock matching? Can't say, I don't see any serial number in the normal spot in the pics.
Painted arab rack number? Nope.
Quote from: Power Surge on September 19, 2016, 09:54:40 PM
If you have a pic but don't want to share it publicly right now, PM it to LC...
Sent him a PM.
Laminated stock wont have a stamped number. thumb1
Looks good... 100℅ original minus the butt thingy you can easily remove. An arab painted number on the stock would have been nice, but its def an Israeli Capture. The Rack numbers (when present) adds a good $125 to $150 to a gun in my opinion, but a blued carrier with correct laminate stock like this one.... I'd ask how bad do you want it? :))
In my opinion its a $500 to $550 gun.
Likely one of the cleanest ones I've seen, and the serial is smack dab in the middle of the known range.
Thanks for the help! I'm tight right now but may push it a little. You never know.... ☺
Thats a very collectable sks... I would sell some plasma or stand on the street corner with a homeless sign to get the rest of the funds needed.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 19, 2016, 11:01:18 PM
Thats a very collectable sks... I would sell some plasma or stand on the street corner with a homeless sign to get the rest of the funds needed.
But would you work a week at
The Bunny Ranch for it? rofl
:)) thumb1
thumb1 8)
Ok, I bought it. I'm going to start a FundMe account; anyone care to contribute??? rofl
dance2
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I can't wait to pick this honey up!!!
Quote from: CuSks on September 20, 2016, 09:36:04 PM
I'm going to start a FundMe account; anyone care to contribute???
rofl rofl rofl rofl.......Joe
Quote from: CuSks on September 20, 2016, 09:36:04 PM
Ok, I bought it. I'm going to start a FundMe account; anyone care to contribute??? rofl
dance2
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I can't wait to pick this honey up!!!
SWEET! I like it thumb1 8)
And a sweet price too... Must have ended mid-day while everyone was working. :))
Thanks man; I just think that thing is cool as hell. Built by China in '68, shipped to Syria, found it's way to Lebanon, captured during the Lebanon war by Israel and shipped to the US for private sale. That's a lot of history for one gun....
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 20, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
And a sweet price too... Must have ended mid-day while everyone was working. :))
Ended at 8:47PM EST. I placed the bid 20 minutes before the auction ended....waited, waited, waited....WTF? OK :D
I'm seeing a 'soft' market too... Strange considering our 2A is once again on the line with the election.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 20, 2016, 10:57:02 PM
And a sweet price too... Must have ended mid-day while everyone was working. :))
I was in the garage working on a rifle.....lol......awesome pick!!
Thanks guys.
I've noticed the marketing softening some. Some of the high market seemed to hit after Dallas, Orlando, Baton Rouge and the following gun legislation talk. I think that has calmed down a bit.
I think that the market is back to normal now; this was just an overlooked gem. That happened with my Ghost/Sterile as well. There are so many Chinese out there that the rare one's get overlooked at times.
Excellent deal on one of the best conditioned carbines I've seen. The CAI import mark means that it never left China for the Middle East. Likely unissued.
Wait wait wait.... I think thats incorrect.
Early CAI import markings on the barrel and NO norinco stamp means it DID come here from the ME and not China.
I dont see a norinco stamp anywhere on this gun.... Yet.
We likely wont know until he gets the rifle. But if it says Norinco on the barrel along with the CAI stamps... It came here from China and not the ME.
BUT, having said that... Its still just as collectable and value is unaffected. thumb1
Here is my EC with the import mark, sounds like the same as the OP
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(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t618/toeknee221/IMG_6436_zpsehhgzaad.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/toeknee221/media/IMG_6436_zpsehhgzaad.jpg.html)
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Hmmm.... This is very interesting. Carbines import mark actually says norinco, but it obviously made the trip. Very strange. Perhaps they added the norinco label at a certain point to even the guns imported from the ME?
This is the only one I have ever seen that made the trip and is marked norinco.
Mine has the same Norinco and import stamp, but no other Arabic features. Hmmm...
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/egyptcontract1_011.JPG)
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/egyptcontract1_012.JPG)
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Maybe they all made the trip and 'some' were marked norinco simply because it was common practice for the ones received from china? I know 99.9 present of guns showing obvious signs of being in the ME do not have Norinco stamped at all. :-\
This Norinco stamp which is found in the Middle East would place the timeline for at least a few of the exports from China much later than previously suspected - by about fifteen years. That's a large swing!
I don't think so...
The norinco mark is part of the import stamp. What I'm saying is, it had to have been appli to some of the later guns received from the ME. If you look at the other imports from the same time period, they have the country AND location or factory marked.
So this would be a case of the 'profiling /stereotyping' of Chinese carbines by calling them Norinco, even though the construction and export pre-dated the company, and likely had nothing to do with Norinco? Makes sense. I've been to many gun shows where the dealers call every Chinese SKS as Norinco. I can see an importer doing the same thing.
This may very well show when cai started applying the name.
Think 'cugir romania'. Why not just say romania? At some point in time they started applying 'norinco' to chinese guns they received. I doubt it mattered where they actually came from.
These say china norinco. Pretty well the same as with the Romanians etc.
I tend to concur on the importer. They pay people poop to stamp these guns...hey another Chinese. I have that one right here....STAMP. You should see the stamp on my Ghost/Sterile.....
Sterile!? :o :o
They reproduce all the time... bat1
chuckles1
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on September 24, 2016, 11:26:17 PM
Sterile!? :o :o
They reproduce all the time... bat1
chuckles1
And quicker than you'd expect!!! Besplode
I picked her up today and broke her down. Everything broke down pretty easily except for the hand guard, it did want to move. I finally knocked a wooden block against it's metal base a few times and it came off. I don't think that it has ever been removed.
The recoil spring, op-rod, unexposed barrel and unexposed hand guard areas are still covered in cosmoline. She has been shot a bit; the op-rod extension is nasty. The bore looks clean. There are signs of sand in the stock. The only stamp I can see is on the barrel "CIA ST ALB VT"
I'll take some pics but it may be extensive. Should I start a new thread or continue here? It's time to pull out the mineral spirits. :)
Oh for Pete's sakes..... Atleast take pictures of the sand and goat hair before your strip the poor thing!!!!
Seriously... I want pics of this sand.
Sorry, spent about 2.5 hours cleaning her up. Half of it was still coated in cosmoline, the other half was just neglected and dirty. I didn't clean the internals of the stock but there are signs of sand; it's not a mound but it's there. I want to strip her back down this weekend and make sure that I got everything. I can try to get pics but I don't know if little specs of sand will show up. Folks.......clean your rifles. ;)
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I have a hundred "shooters". So if I get a gun with proper regional dirt/grit/grass/goat hair inside, it stays inside. Preserve the historical grime! Really.
Quote from: martin08 on September 28, 2016, 06:35:30 AM
I have a hundred "shooters". So if I get a gun with proper regional dirt/grit/grass/goat hair inside, it stays inside. Preserve the historical grime! Really.
I hear ya'. In this case, she's been fired but not cleaned and properly oiled. There were signs of surface rust starting in the receiver, the receiver cover, the barrel knuckles and the bottom of the gas tube. The gas tube was full of cosmoline, burned powder and rust residue. I had to clean it up. Now that I look with more light, I don't think that it was sand I was seeing. I think it's just light debrit from where the stock was cut. I'll get some pics up later.
Oops....mistaken post nea1
Alright, here we go....
Found this marking interesting…
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Another shot
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Interesting, probably just a handling mark
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What I though was sand last night. I think it’s just residue from the stock being cut.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/arms_357/EgyptianContract/IMG_20160928_164547_zpsupbuwpny.jpg)
In all her glory
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Other pics…
http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/arms_357/slideshow/EgyptianContract
Looks fantastic man...
We see these marks on the Chinese sks and other (sometimes similar) markings on other nations at that receiver location, but we really dont know what they mean. Some indication gleamed from the russian sks indicate similarities to marks found on Mosins etc however I cannot recall exactly what they are believed to be.
Yeah I have noticed the markings on the left side of the receiver/ barrel but not so much on the right hand side. Now that I look at them, the '51 Russian and the ghost/sterile are marked up like pig latin!!! LOL The '54 has a few but the Yugo and Albanian are fairly clean. The 68 Type 56 has markings but not like the early Russian or Chinese.
From what I read when I got my ghost, they are quality control markings from when the Ruskies were overseeing the Chinese manufacture. The markings slowly went away over time. I need to break the Ghost down sometime and get some pics. She's written like a book...81K Type 56.
You can also find the (o) stamp on Romanian SKSs as well, not just the Russians and Chinese. Several types of weapons have those marks, the Chinese, Romanian and Russian Mosins even to the Romanian Model 1969 .22lr trainer. The three nations shared several common stamps, somewhere buried here is a post on them and the common stamps shared. thumb1
Like you said, Yugoslavian and Albainian are pretty much devoid of those markings or likely adopting their own inspection markings like the [BK] Yugoslavian marks.
Quote from: GreasemonkeyLike you said, Yugoslavian and Albainian are pretty much devoid of those markings or likely adopting their own inspection markings like the [BK] Yugoslavian marks.
Even though Yugo's get pooped on at times that is what makes them so cool. Tito hated the Soviet but he tolerated them. He took their design and made it his own.......
Now Hoxha, scared even the hard liners in Russia. From what I understand, he turned to China for help.... Introduce the Albanian SKS
It wasn't just them, the Czechs didn't care much for them, thats why you don't see a Czechoslovakian SKS or Ak.. They pretty much snubbed all of Russia's designs and even went as far to design and manufacture their own caliber, the 7.62x45, while it was slightly superior to the x39, Russia forced them back to the x39, but even under the Soviet's pressure, they still made their own weapons of their own design, the Vz 52, Vz 52/57 and Vz 58, even the Vz 61 series. Same with the Tokarev and the Makorov, the Cz52 and the Cz 82 pistols.
On Russian guns of the era, the concentric circle mark is a point of accuracy proof.