I found a beat up non-/26\ for sale that has many "Egyptian Contract" features and I am wondering if it was possibly from the "EC" import lot, as all of the info available on them pertains to the factory /26\ examples.
Can't read the factory number for sure because the pics suck, but it is /306\ or maybe /906\. Serial starts with 16, so it's a 1971. It has a white carrier and a replacement laminate stock that is numbers matching with side swivel. Also has the early Century import mark on the bottom of the barrel reading:
CAI ST. A VT
SKS 7.62 CHINA
Unfortunately no Farsi paint, that would be the icing on the cake. But is it possible it was part of the "EC" bunch?
There hasn't ever been any evidence to suggest these came from Egypt. Please see here... https://clone.sks-files.com/index.php?topic=1886.0
Really difficult to make any determination without seeing the rifle, but being a non 26 gun I guess anything is possible.
I realize they didn't come from Egypt. But they are commonly referred to as "Egyptian Contract" SKS variants so that's what I called it. Hence the "quotes".
Was just wondering if it was possible it came in with the grouping of rifles commonly referred to as "Egyptian Contract" because it shares many features with the known "EC" examples, i.e. white carrier w/ replacment laminate and early Century mark. I guess if none have been recorded I should buy it and post some pics to let the community decide.
About the Century mark, is that exact style and placement exclusive to the "EC" rifles? Or did they sell others back in the day with the same mark and placement on a non-"EC" example?
They sold 'new' rifles including Russians with that early mark but they are obviously not coming from this region.
Anything is possible though.... I do know Samco Global imported a batch or two of very similar rifles presumably from the ME that were non 26 guns like this. I would imagine a few could be found lingering in PLO or Syrian inventory prior to capture. Things tend to float across borders if you you what I mean.
So you're saying there's a chance... :-* If I get it I will certainly parade it around for all to see.
Thanks for the info LC thumb1
Quote from: gregsthe1 on December 05, 2016, 09:49:01 AM
I found a beat up non-/26\ for sale that has many "Egyptian Contract" features and I am wondering if it was possibly from the "EC" import lot, as all of the info available on them pertains to the factory /26\ examples.
Can't read the factory number for sure because the pics suck, but it is /306\ or maybe /906\. Serial starts with 16, so it's a 1971. It has a white carrier and a replacement laminate stock that is numbers matching with side swivel. Also has the early Century import mark on the bottom of the barrel reading:
CAI ST. A VT
SKS 7.62 CHINA
Unfortunately no Farsi paint, that would be the icing on the cake. But is it possible it was part of the "EC" bunch?
That early import stamp (and it's quite an early stamp, likely pre '85) is pretty distinct and unique.
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/import_stamps/CAI_ST_A_VT2.jpg)
The only CAI stamps I've ever found on the bottom of the barrel are the "St. A." stamps and quite a few have been Israeli Capture guns. I think the term "Egyptian Contract" causes more confusion than anything considering what Worm and LC have uncovered with respect to Russian and Chinese aid to the Middle East. Let us know if you pick it up. I'd be interested to see what the S/N prefix and arsenal stamp look like. thumb1
Edit: and for the record, you should be able to tell a /306\ from a /906\ even with crappy photos. They are very distinct with the /306\ having a sigma like "3" and a rounded "0" while the /906\ will have a solid horizontal line for the "9" and a very square looking "0":
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/triangle/T306.jpg)(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/triangle/T306_P.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/triangle/T906.jpg)(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/survey/chinese/triangle/T906_P.jpg)
Im fairly certain its 906..... 2- piece gastube, and 'D' rear right leaf.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on December 06, 2016, 08:20:05 AM
Im fairly certain its 906..... 2- piece gastube, and 'D' rear right leaf.
I agree and think it is 906 as well.
Thanks for taking a look at the pics for me...
Well I just bought it. Probably overpaid, but not by much. I'm not interested in haggling over $5 or $10, he dropped the price $50 and I felt it was fair. Especially considering the potential for it to have been among the early "Egyptian Contract" batch.
Once it shows up I'll be sure and post some pics dance2
Def a cool sks. thumb1
Since the listing has ended here is the link to it:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/603831996
It was listed as a /206\ but I still think it's /906\. Feel free to check it out and let me know what you guys think. Once it comes in I'll take it apart, search for stamps, and post it up!!
p.s. The seller emailed me a pic of the import mark, that's how I know it is a Century.
Yup... Worm actually called Samco before they went out of business. He was told that their earliest shipment of sks carbines came from the middle east and were in worn condition. I do not know 'who' in the middle east/north Africa may have received these non 26 guns, but they do exist. I am convinced there are numerous ways for one to have been captured by Israeli in the many arab aggression conflicts and be imported by Century along with all the other 26 guns which undoubtedly were aided to the PLO and Syria.
I have seen several guns at auction having an early Samco import mark that look very much like this rifle having served in aforementioned climate. The owner of Samco was middle eastern having many connections to surplus guns of that region. Hope this helps.
I believe Worm had it narrowed down to Libya, Sudan, Yemen, Tunisia, Sudan, and maybe Oman or Eritrea. My personal belief would be Pakistan thumb1
We know for a fact Pak was aided losts of spikers and quite possibly not 26 guns. Pak borders iran and you can take it from there.
I think you did fine for a matching Type 56 from a somewhat unusual arsenal, whether or not it can be assigned as having Middle Eastern provenance. I see it's not a laminate but it does have very prominent grain that I like. Definitely a nice SKS with a "been there done that" appearance. Looking forward to seeing higher resolution detailed pictures of it! thumb1 :)
Oh... add Lebanon and Jordan in thar too.
Add Morocco
Here is what your lookng at....
This gun was built in 1971. In order to narrow it down, you have to look at any and all countries that were involved with Arab aggression toward Israel post 1971, and then pick out the ones having Sino arms relations with China. Good luck! :)
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on December 06, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
I see it's not a laminate but it does have very prominent grain that I like.
It's not laminate! Had me fooled. Wasn't looking as close to that because the grains look like layers to me. Are you sure?
Figured I was on to something when I first saw it but I'm still new on the SKS platform. I'd love to find a crisp Hebrew stamp or some other regional identifying mark once I get it apart. Fingers crossed this one turns out to have some hidden surprise on it, but prelimary observations definitely have an Israeli flavor :)
Does it look like the dent in the magazine will affect its capacity or function?
I kinda doubt it will effect anything....
Quote from: gregsthe1 on December 06, 2016, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on December 06, 2016, 05:43:40 PM
I see it's not a laminate but it does have very prominent grain that I like.
It's not laminate! Had me fooled. Wasn't looking as close to that because the grains look like layers to me. Are you sure?
Figured I was on to something when I first saw it but I'm still new on the SKS platform. I'd love to find a crisp Hebrew stamp or some other regional identifying mark once I get it apart. Fingers crossed this one turns out to have some hidden surprise on it, but prelimary observations definitely have an Israeli flavor :)
Definitely hardwood. Look at auction photos 2 and 3, the way the grain is curving. Laminate would be straight, and the laminates wouldn't be canted at an angle off of vertical. Like I say, cool gun regardless of how it turns out.
Quote from: gregsthe1 on December 06, 2016, 06:58:28 PM
Does it look like the dent in the magazine will affect its capacity or function?
Probably not, but it's hard to say for sure, especially from the angle of the photo. If the dent impinges on the front of the follower arm, it could prevent you from loading all 10. If so, I'd just peen it out from the inside.
P32 knows his wood! :o Def hardwood, not laminate.
The stock is likely the original if it turns out to be a /906\ (and I agree with you and think it is likely a /906\ too, that zero is too flat on bottom to not be unless it's something we haven't seen yet). Side swivel stocks on all the examples I have in my files.
With your negotiating, I think you made a fine deal on that carbine. It's a nice example from that era. thumb1
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on December 06, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
Add Morocco
Here is what your lookng at....
This gun was built in 1971. In order to narrow it down, you have to look at any and all countries that were involved with Arab aggression toward Israel post 1971, and then pick out the ones having Sino arms relations with China. Good luck! :)
IF it's an IC (and that's a big IF), I'd guess 1982 Lebanon War. Yom Kippur War was in 1973. Seems like you'd be cutting it pretty close for that firearm to arrive in new condition, be used, and captured looking like that in the span of two years. Not impossible, but I'd think it was more unlikely. '82 is the last date as the newer conflicts occurred after the early 80's which is when that import stamp was used.
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on December 06, 2016, 07:11:57 PM
Definitely hardwood.
I stand corrected, thank you for pointing that out. I think I like it better with hardwood.
And thanks to you all for helping to put some of the pieces of the puzzle together. I would not have been able to figure all of this out on my own.
Picked it up a couple of days ago and it is very cool... and clearly a /906\. After doing some research I see these examples are known in the community as "Israeli Capture" variants, even though when originally imported they were under the category of "Egyptian Contract" models. After fondling this one for the weekend I am quite sure it is one of them. And perhaps the first non-/26\ example recorded? Stuck a Balkans war used Russian metal hook sling on it that looks great. All numbers match. I took as many good pics as I could indoors, it is nothing but cold and snow here in SW Michigan.
Here are the pics:
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112410-1_zps9m02scd0.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112410-1_zps9m02scd0.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145610_zps87dvnez4.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145610_zps87dvnez4.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145546_zpshu295ytw.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145546_zpshu295ytw.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112613_zps0skyz37x.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112613_zps0skyz37x.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145511_zpsdfpmlijh.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145511_zpsdfpmlijh.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145728-1_zpsh8jjngg7.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145728-1_zpsh8jjngg7.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145734_zpsypy8dgd3.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145734_zpsypy8dgd3.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145741_zpspb47ka7p.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145741_zpspb47ka7p.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145751_zpsvxvhqqoy.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145751_zpsvxvhqqoy.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145800_zpsjc7g4vhs.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145800_zpsjc7g4vhs.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_151356_zpsi9jwtftk.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_151356_zpsi9jwtftk.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_150137_zpst6jqhqdy.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_150137_zpst6jqhqdy.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112453_zpskyqawew2.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112453_zpskyqawew2.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112502_zpsxxm8qnhs.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112502_zpsxxm8qnhs.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112731_zps749ktlwi.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112731_zps749ktlwi.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_150337_zpspred9nya.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_150337_zpspred9nya.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_150310_zpst8fmr8hq.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_150310_zpst8fmr8hq.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112926_zpssb89tpiz.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112926_zpssb89tpiz.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112908_zps5ogcuqcl.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112908_zps5ogcuqcl.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_153307_zpsegnxrdkt.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_153307_zpsegnxrdkt.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112233_zpsryt5bwxx.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112233_zpsryt5bwxx.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_151247_zpsysam789a.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_151247_zpsysam789a.jpg.html)
Looks a lot like a Syrian property Jiim stamp, but I will let you decide:
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_111917_zpstdzdfhoh.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_111917_zpstdzdfhoh.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_111942_zpsjn13tmsg.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_111942_zpsjn13tmsg.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112013_zpsd5pj3pm7.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112013_zpsd5pj3pm7.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_112543_zpsvcibqppk.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_112543_zpsvcibqppk.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_145638_zpsailh2g0x.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_145638_zpsailh2g0x.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_151104_zpspzhlliy6.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_151104_zpspzhlliy6.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_151142_zps9y79otnr.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_151142_zps9y79otnr.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_151505_zpszu9sa8a5.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_151505_zpszu9sa8a5.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_151739_zps2xjhxnqe.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_151739_zps2xjhxnqe.jpg.html)
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/20161218_151815_zpslzowu2jd.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/20161218_151815_zpslzowu2jd.jpg.html)
It's got sand, it's got marks, it's got patina, and lines up perfectly with the IC rifles. Looks like one to me...
Seriously!? No comments or opinions?
I thought you guys love this kind of stuff...
Always slow on most boards around Christmas. It's a nice carbine, certainly an early CAI marking. Nice buy.
I don't know about the jiin. I think thats a simple 2. Would be Iraqi with the jiin, not Syrian though.
Quote from: running-man on December 20, 2016, 09:09:35 AM
Always slow on most boards around Christmas. It's a nice carbine, certainly an early CAI marking. Nice buy.
I don't know about the jiin. I think thats a simple 2. Would be Iraqi with the jiin, not Syrian though.
Its a jiim... not a jiin. And from what I understand, it was used by several arab states. Not sure if thats what we are seeing here though... I agree this is a very sweet find and would make a great addition to any collection. I really wish we knew more about this gun in particular, but atleast we have this 'one' as an example. Hopefully we will come across more in the future. Sorry for the delay in response.
The sandy cosmo is priceless..... please leave as-is!!
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on December 20, 2016, 09:26:14 AM
The sandy cosmo is priceless..... please leave as-is!!
Will do! I got a good feel (and even a little taste) of the gritty stuff and it is something.
I wish that it did have a definitive mark of some kind, and I will concede that maybe it is just a simple "2" (wishful thinking). All other signs point to IC but for now I guess it will remain a mystery. I plan on keeping it, so if in the future someone would like to see more of it just let me know thumb1
I was glad to find it and even more glad to share it with the community and have a conversation about it. I especially love the wood ding from the safety and the red paint on the sights. The magazine dent does not affect function, it looks worse in the pics than it really is.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on December 20, 2016, 09:23:56 AM
Its a jiim... not a jiin. And from what I understand, it was used by several arab states. Not sure if thats what we are seeing here though... I agree this is a very sweet find and would make a great addition to any collection. I really wish we knew more about this gun in particular, but atleast we have this 'one' as an example. Hopefully we will come across more in the future. Sorry for the delay in response.
Jīm or Jeem says wikipedia. Hell if I know. rofl
All the weapons I've seen with purported Iraq markings all have the
ج enclosed in a triangle. In fact, all the symbols I've ever seen purporting to be this marking show the triangle, whether on canvas, in a stamp, or other general marking. Seems to make sense, w/o the triangle it's just a letter J right? (They all show it belonging to the Iraqi army too, Jeem being the first letter in "JAYSH" the arabic word for army.)
I scrounged up a few interesting ones, some stylized, some with additional info inside the triangle:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem0.gif)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem.png)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem1.png)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem2.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem3.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem4.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem5.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem6.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem7.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem8.jpg)
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/misc/iraqi_jeem9.jpg)
Last photo is from http://francona.com/travels/iraq/ That's a neat photo spread; Rick Francona...that guy's certainly been around.
Here is one not in a triangle. Thought to have previously been Syrian property:
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/12-20_zpsnb8oltek.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/12-20_zpsnb8oltek.jpg.html)
I have the same bag... chuckles1
I specifically remember Worm finding/having a list of all nations known to have used the jeem. IIRC it started out being a 'arab state" deal with multiple nations designated to use it, but it only really caught on in mass by Iraq.
Quote from: gregsthe1 on December 20, 2016, 01:29:27 PM
Here is one not in a triangle. Thought to have previously been Syrian property:
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/12-20_zpsnb8oltek.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/12-20_zpsnb8oltek.jpg.html)
This was one of Worms guns, and while seemingly could be a jeem, I found a #2 thats identical on one of my guns..... think it was the HG that I sold, or maybe my 7m bringback.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on December 20, 2016, 01:33:01 PMI found a #2 thats identical on one of my guns.....
Well then I guess that changes things, I was hopeful based on that cry1
Oh well, no definitive proof but maybe someday more info will come out solidifying it's place amongst the IC's.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on December 20, 2016, 01:30:11 PM
I have the same bag... chuckles1
I specifically remember Worm finding/having a list of all nations known to have used the jeem. IIRC it started out being a 'arab state" deal with multiple nations designated to use it, but it only really caught on in mass by Iraq.
Yeah, I totally thought Google was pointing me right to your post (https://clone.sks-files.com/index.php?topic=151.0) until I looked at the url and followed the link to the guy's photo archive.
It would be interesting to put together a list of nations who have used the jeem symbol or even a history of how it came about. All new to me, heck I didn't realize it was more widely used. :o
IC's are definitely a neat rabbit hole to follow...thumb1
Quote from: gregsthe1 on December 20, 2016, 09:53:39 AM
The magazine dent does not affect function, it looks worse in the pics than it really is.
That magazine dent is not a dent...I think we may have found a Factory 906ism...because I have 1611283...and it has the exact same dent in the magazine...I never noticed it until I saw your pic, and I compared it to all of my other mags and it is the only one that has that.
Mine also has the same very heavy 1 in the serial number, with the awkward exclamation pointish traingularism to it...only mine is inverted from the direction yours points. Mine also has similar marks around the barrel. It also has one of those strangely shaped 2s on the underside of the receiver...but very small.
Mine was purchased new in box by me...and is a later CSI import...in around 98-99ish? 2,594 rifles later...my first experience with cosmoline, on my 3rd SKS.
906-ism, I like that. I believe you are correct that they will all have the "dent". I do not have a high enough post status to access the s/n threads but RM was nice enough to share some info with me about the other /906\'s that are documented, including this pic:
(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah148/gregfinton/mag%20dent_zps5hektt7b.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/gregfinton/media/mag%20dent_zps5hektt7b.jpg.html)
It was the only one he had with similar patina, of the 15 or so that are recorded most are either pristine or obvious Chinese factory refurbs with replacement stocks. This one is 1615470 and is an early IA CO import.
Not a dent huh.... VERY interesting!!
Very interesting, I've seen this dent in my rummaging of shops before. Never thought much and must not have seen it very often. I was probably thinking just a dent as well.
Good stuff fellas thumb1 Another tidbit to look out for, I'll keep my eye's peeled for /\ and relation to "dent" now for sure.
Awesome observation guys. No idea how I missed that...heck I even missed it in the OP's photos. Just glossed right over it. :-\
It certainly continued into the year 17 and 18 series:
1716437:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/T906/1716437_magazine.jpg)
18019770:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/T906/18019770_magazine.jpg)
I wonder if other arsenals had these style magazines or if it was unique to the /906\?
Quote from: running-man on December 29, 2016, 10:59:03 AM
1716437
18019770
Went from 7-digit to 8-digit in '73 I see. Also kinda interesting.
Yup, there are many arsenals that seem to have done that for whatever reason. Usually the arsenal is fairly consistent year to year, but there are times that the S/N total length changes from one year to the next.
This is one of the main reasons that the old dating system found throughout the net of counting the 'millions' is dead wrong. 14,xxx,xxx is a year 14 gun, 1,5xx,xxx is a year 15 gun. Both have different numbers of digits but the prefix is the important part in measuring the year, not the millions place.
Wouldn't it be funny if the dent was simply caused by a nut that fell off of something into the stamping machine and went unnoticed for years. chuckles1
I would be interested if more folks also noticed this at all, I am limited to three other matching guns to confirm the factory of origin...that are Chinese anyway...two of them are /26\s one a /206\ all of those are normal. Two other unknown Chinese mags are also normal. Three Yugo mags...normal.
Until another arises can we call it a /906\ism? Can we? Can we? :)
How difficult is it to insert a new data point in the survey? Also on another survey related note, if one were to notice something new and want to fill out the survey again, perhaps adding pictures...would that just fall into it's previous place or would that be another item of tedium in your life RM?
One other does share this, take it for what it's worth....but, Albanians share this 906-ism dent trait
Albanian on the left with Chinese 416 on the right
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Albanian/Alby%20post/SAM_1654_zpsgmha6bed.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Albanian/Alby%20post/SAM_1654_zpsgmha6bed.jpg.html)
All great stuff fellas.... clap1
Found another 16 prefix /906\ on gubroker Gunboards. Very similar to the OPs minus the ST A VT stamp. Fiberglass stock likely indicates a bubba, but who knows. Magazine has the 906ism that Justin ID'd as well. thumb1
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?690369-gunshow-today-SKS-non-import-veitnam&p=6171905#post6171905
Cool, glad to know the dent really isn't and there is more proof.
It repaints an image that was in my mind of them receiving some parts factory to factory that weren't made in house. I had thought that smaller less fit dependent parts like sight ladders, FSBs, trigger groups, sight blocks etc. were farmed out to specialist factories. I am going to keep an eye out for more little things like this.
One thing is certain. Between the /906\ dent and the weird 4 on the /0130\B stock serial #s, the Chinese don't seem to have believed in cosmetic uniformity on these rifles. :))
Nope, some are quite unique!
Year 22, [0306], medium font, 4 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/R0306/2200811_stock.jpg)
Year 21, [0141], huge font, 4 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/R0141/21001715_stock.jpg)
Year 28, /0223b\, very small font, 5 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/T0223/28004001_stock.jpg)
Year 18, /106\ smallish font, 5 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/T106/1813672_stock.jpg)
Year 16, /156\ism w/ star, medium font, 5 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/T156/1611549_stock.jpg)
Year 18, /906\ medium font, 6 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/T906/18021955_stock.jpg)
1973, [0141], medium font, 7 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/R0141/733013_stock.jpg)
Year 22, [0141], medium font, 8 digit:
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Chinese/R0141/22001123_stock.jpg)
And that's just from 5 minutes of searching. At some point, we will have the ARSENAL COMPONENT CONFIGURATIONS (https://clone.sks-files.com/index.php?board=87.0) board fully populated. thumb1