Last post of the season for the Russians.
Number sold: 38
Lowest Sale Price: $298.00
Avg. Sale Price: $570.03
Highest Sale Price: $1130.00
Tula Avg. Price: $596.57
Izhevsk Avg. Price: $555.00
As-Issued Avg. Price: $820.00
Please let me know any feedback (good or bad) to these.
If you have an objection or observation to add to anything I've listed, by all means call it out. Let's look at it long and hard (I only look at each listing for a minute or two at most) and maybe everyone can learn a thing or two! thumb1
-RM
Item Link Description # Bids Final Price Year Arsenal Arsenal Condition Current Condition S/N RM's Notes
602279180 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=602279180) Russian SKS 1954R Tula 7.62X39 #s match NoReserve 22 $530.00 1954 Tula As-Issued Fair KA2220 The good news: Original 63 year old stock! The bad news: Original 63 year old stock!
603574357 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=603574357) Russian SKS Numbers Matching 7.62x39 $.01 Start NR 39 $800.00 1956 Tula As-Issued Good TM388_Д Slight possibility that the stock has been refinished or is not the original from this gun, but man it sure is a nice looker!
602220379 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=602220379) Russian SKS 7.62x39 Semi Auto Rifle w/Bayo $1START REALLY NICE NUMBERS MATCHING RIFLE MUST SEE GUN 46 $1,130.00 1956 Tula As-Issued Good TB839_Д Very nice looking firearm here!
606815535 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=606815535) Russian SKS 7.62x39 Tula 1951 Russia 7.62 x 39 22 $415.00 1951 Tula Bubba Fair KГ1621 Almost a nice one but not quite.
607729022 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=607729022) RUSSIAN SKS (ALL MATCHING NUMBERS) 19 $475.00 1952 Tula Bubba Fair Uncertain Classic limp bayo here. Angled ear collar on a straight ear lightening cut lug.
604773486 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604773486) Russian SKS OD Green Stock w Remov. Mag & Bipod 1 $599.00 1952 Tula Bubba Fair CM2943 Per the S/N and feature set, this one is a '52.
601216867 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=601216867) Russian SKS Tula Arsenal 7.62x39 nice!! Extras 38 $680.00 1953 Tula Bubba Good ЛH3777 Left-handed inverted takedown lever!
602930630 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=602930630) russian sks 16 $504.00 1954 Tula Bubba Good ГT5141 Receiver cover swap just killed any extra value this thing will ever have.
605716034 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605716034) Tula Russian SKS 1954R 7.62x39mm VG+ $99 NR 25 $600.00 1954 Tula Bubba Very Good KA6900 Man, that's a horrible shame about the replacement Izhevsk receiver cover.
605333230 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605333230) Russian SKS 7.62 x 39 Sporter Stock Penny Auction! 11 $301.00 Uncertain Uncertain Bubba Fair OC4156 Meh :/
604775564 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604775564) Century Arms International SKS (Russian) 1 $450.00 Uncertain Uncertain Bubba Uncertain Uncertain I guess it's Russian.
603866453 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=603866453) Russian SKS Tula 1950 ex-DDR Liski 8 $421.00 1950 Tula Heavy Refurbished Fair TЛ417 Just not a pretty gun. Looks to have been badly pitted at one time...
605381192 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605381192) Russian SKS rifle 7.62x39 FREE SHIP 1951 Tula 11 $501.00 1951 Tula Heavy Refurbished Fair TЮ3311 Interesting late NHM import. Don't see too many of these. Not in the best of condition though.
602633529 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=602633529) Russian SKS 45 Semi Auto Carbine 7.62x39mm Caliber 1 $549.00 1951 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good Uncertain Meh :/
603637117 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=603637117) Russian SKS 7.62x39 7.62 Rifle Enfield Jungle 303 Carbine No 5 MK1 British 21 $555.00 1951 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good TC3569 Took out $300 to reflect the price of the Enfield. Not idea if that's accurate at all, but I can see this SKS going for 5 1/2 Benjamins.
605751854 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605751854) Russian SKS 1952r 7.62x39 Rifle 1952 W Bayonet 4 $600.00 1952 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good ГЛ2988 Not loving this one...
605346256 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605346256) Russian SKS Rifle 7.62x39 Layaway 2 $504.00 1953 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good OЛ5289 Those are some craptacular photos man! Could have cost yourself $100 but not taking some more time to get better lighting or at least post processing them to lighten them up a little bit!
602286186 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=602286186) Russian Tula SKS 1953r Matching 7.62x39 Penny Auc 31 $610.00 1953 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good ФЛ739 Nice enough gun, I don't care for the laminate stock with hardwood handguard though.
605322001 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605322001) Russian SKS Izhevsk Russia C+R 7.62x39 not ak47 ak 12 $480.00 1954 Izhevsk Heavy Refurbished Good PK362 Nice enough gun, not much respect though.
604140295 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604140295) Russian SKS Tula 7.62x39 1950's Mostly Matching 26 $480.00 1954 Izhevsk Heavy Refurbished Fair ГA637 What the hell does 'mostly matching' mean anyhow?! Also, whoever told this guy this was a Tula needs slapped around a bit. I saw the receiver font on the "A" and right away knew it was an Izhevsk. I'm finding more and more that they are ridiculously easy to ID even with a missing receiver cover!
604393172 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604393172) Russian SKS Izhevsk 7 $575.00 1954 Izhevsk Heavy Refurbished Fair AП606 "These are the cream of the crop." Well cream of wheat is more like it. Horrible Horsetrashy listing.
608302912 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=608302912) * Russian SKS 7.62x39 semi rifle * Tula Russia 23 $476.98 1956 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good KB5420_Д If you put enough rounds in a banana mag, will it make a full circle around the gun?
604665490 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604665490) Russian SKS Russian SKS - 45 sold by KBI 7.62 x 39 15 $583.00 1957 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good AO5144_И Not a bad deal with all the accessories and extra bubba hardware.
604622005 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604622005) Russian Model SKS Rifle 7.62X39 Russia 1950R 1950 46 $745.00 1950 Tula Light Refurbished Good CH2272 Heck a pretty '50 here!
604853314 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604853314) Tula SKS 1952 R All matching serial numbers! 2 $599.99 1952 Tula Light Refurbished Good Uncertain Terrible auction. Not quite horsetrash, but terrible nonetheless.
601695647 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=601695647) Russian SKS..NIB with accessories! 5 $550.00 1953 Tula Light Refurbished Very Good ДP662 Man that's a nice one. Refurb or not, this one was a nice buy!
604404766 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604404766) Russian SKS Tula 1953r 35 $560.00 1953 Tula Light Refurbished Good MT3785 Decent enough gun. I dig the /TK\ + "Tula" star on the RSL, don't see both together like this all that often.
607478104 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=607478104) 1953 Tula SKS New Unfired in Cosmoline 1 $799.99 1953 Tula Light Refurbished Good OA4817 If you look closely, you can tell this one isn't really a '53. Likely a '51 with that prefix.
602680857 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=602680857) Tula SKS 762x39 Matching w/Bayonet NICE 15 $450.00 1954 Tula Light Refurbished Good ИM2064 Second time this one's gone through. Sold back in July for $650. $200 loss, ouch.
602238420 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=602238420) Russian TULA SKS / Matching / NO RESERVE! 9 $520.00 1954 Tula Light Refurbished Good ГE8379 Not a huge fan of guns like this one.
604574904 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=604574904) SKS Russian Tula 1954 **ALL MATCHING NUMBERS** 8 $530.00 1954 Tula Light Refurbished Good AH2630 Decent enough gun here.
603612844 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=603612844) Russian Mfg. SKS rifle 7.62x39mm semi auto 22 $565.00 1954 Tula Light Refurbished Good BB5798 Very nice looking firearm here!
605736314 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605736314) 1954 Russian SKS Tulla, must see, 7.62x39 1 $574.99 1954 Tula Light Refurbished Good AO1638 Nice little refurb here.
599525705 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=599525705) MINT 1954 RUSSIAN SKS ALL MATCHING #'S 7.62X39 C&R COLLECTOR GRADE TULA USSR LIKE AK 47 AK47 29 $685.00 1954 Izhevsk Light Refurbished Good B798_У Might be a bit on the pricey side when all the dust settles in 2016. It is a nice gun though, w/o the stock finish wear it would have rated VG.
607355909 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=607355909) Unfired in box Russian SKS w/acces. 1954 BIN get FREE ship 7.62x39 sks-45 Norinco ak47 1 $799.00 1954 Tula Light Refurbished Good Uncertain Horsetrash, Horsetrash, Horsetrash.
605214109 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605214109) Russian SKS KBI Import, Rebuilt, Unfired, $20 UPS 6 $670.00 1958 Tula Light Refurbished Good CM4895_K This one went through GB before...
606331361 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=606331361) USSR Russian SKS carbine 7.62x39 23 $298.00 Uncertain Uncertain Light Refurbished Fair ЛП1940 Some pretty crappy photos for this one. Downright cheap for 23 bids, what were they bidding up $1 each time?!
605019762 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=605019762) SKS RUSSIAN,7.62X39 (TULA),LAMINATED STOCK,EXTRAS. 4 $495.00 Uncertain Uncertain Uncertain Uncertain Uncertain H-O-R-S-E-T-R-A-S-H!!!
(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q647/jelucer/Auction_images/2016/201612_Russian.jpg)
I bought the Russian Letter gun 1956 year # t388. You looked at the unique stock finish and had questioned (slightly) whether the stock was a replacement or refinished. Well, this stock is original and not replaced or refinished. The rifle has the serial number (in the correct Russian type number stampings) on the left of the stock plus on the right side of the stock the armory proof stamp. If you take a look at the left forward screw area you will see deep triangles armory proof marks. On the underside of the rifle which you can not see there are many (7+) other armory marks all "cut" into the shellac. All of the armory marks are cut into the shellac. If you were to rework this stock and refinish it with shellac, the armory stamps would be sanded over, not very visable and covered over, and not have sharpe edges into the shellac. I know, I professionally with wood. he rifle also has matching serial numbers on the gas tube, the gas piston and the rear sight in addition to all of the other numbers (inside bolt, the bolt carrier, the dust cover, the receiver, the trigger guard, the bottom of the magazine, the stock etc.). It is the real deal and I believe it has never been fired.
Very nice! clap1.
There are often times where I caveat my opinions because 1) I'm simply not the ultimate authority on Russian SKS45s, I keep learning new things about them every day and 2) gunbroker photos are often notoriously hard to judge the condition of original finishes, patina, etc. The stock looked extra shiny, this could be a result of a really nice finish and odd lighting, a layer of protective grease still covering it, or a refinish.
As for the 'unfiredness', that is certainly impossible to tell via GB photos. It is likely difficult to tell even with a close-up inspection, a clean gun does not automatically equal unfired. Surely the gun was tested with at least one proof round when it came off the line to verify fit and function. I tend to stay away from the terms 'unfired', 'unissued', and 'non/unrefurbished'. Those are things that we as collectors, 60 years after these firearms were made simply cannot know with any degree of certainty without being privy to the entire life of the firearm from the original manufacture, initial testing, issuance, storage while in service, refurbishment (if any), additional service (if any), additional refurbishment (if any), decommissioning, long term storage, export, import and finally use in the States since the import.
Again, nice buy, if you want to post up a photo spread of it in all its glory, many here would be very appreciative! thumb1
Quote from: running-man on January 19, 2017, 11:05:36 PM
603637117 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=603637117) Russian SKS 7.62x39 7.62 Rifle Enfield Jungle 303 Carbine No 5 MK1 British 21 $555.00 1951 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good TC3569 Took out $300 to reflect the price of the Enfield. Not idea if that's accurate at all, but I can see this SKS going for 5 1/2 Benjamins.
I'm definitely no expert on enfields but With nice No 4 Enfields going anywhere from $280-$450 ( like most milsurps these days trending toward the higher end) I'd put that No 5 at the $400+ range easy. If its not a chop job, they can bring some bucks.
This pair was a good deal all around on both for sure. thumb1
Quote from: running-man on January 19, 2017, 11:05:36 PM
603866453 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=603866453) Russian SKS Tula 1950 ex-DDR Liski 8 $421.00 1950 Tula Heavy Refurbished Fair TЛ417 Just not a pretty gun. Looks to have been badly pitted at one time...
Pardon me for asking but whats ex-DDR Liski supposed to mean in the way of the SKS?
I just saw a Russian gun. Are there markings or something?
Quote from: armedhippie on January 21, 2017, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: running-man on January 19, 2017, 11:05:36 PM
603637117 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=603637117) Russian SKS 7.62x39 7.62 Rifle Enfield Jungle 303 Carbine No 5 MK1 British 21 $555.00 1951 Tula Heavy Refurbished Good TC3569 Took out $300 to reflect the price of the Enfield. Not idea if that's accurate at all, but I can see this SKS going for 5 1/2 Benjamins.
I'm definitely no expert on enfields but With nice No 4 Enfields going anywhere from $280-$450 ( like most milsurps these days trending toward the higher end) I'd put that No 5 at the $400+ range easy. If its not a chop job, they can bring some bucks.
This pair was a good deal all around on both for sure. thumb1
An actual true blue No5, not those Gibbs or Santa Fe chop jobs your looking at 5-550 for a decent plain jane no frills shooter/shoulder buster chuckles1
something else I bought I aint posted rofl
Ex-DDR is a notion that was ginned up on gunboards many years ago. Someone saw a /1\ mark on a Mosin Nagant, then saw a slightly similar /1\ marking on a pre-WWII commercial export from Germany and concluded that Russian guns with /1\ markings were obviously used in East Germany as part of a lend lease program. Zero data to back even the smallest assertation up, but then it got posted and reposted and reposted across umpteen different gun sites and became gospel. The /1\ mark meant ex-DDR, period, end of story, no discussion allowed.
For SKSs, things even went a step farther. The /1\ stamping on the receiver is often very poorly struck or otherwise unreadable. There are, however, other very commonly seen features such as horizontal serial numbers on the left side of the handguard and horizonal S/Ns on the stocks. Any one of those features automatically indicated ex-DDR in many people's eyes regardless of the /1\ stampings and that was that, end of story, no discussion allowed.
About two years ago, a Russian researcher by the name of Ruslan Chumak published a paper on refurb stamp identification in the former USSR and indicated that the /1\ stamp was from the 1871st ABV based in Liski. Since then, Ruslan has indicated that he made a mistake and /1\ actually indicates the 41st Central ABV located in Irkutsk.
So, we basically had two competing camps with a fair amount of $$ on the line tied up in ex-DDR premiums for certain firearms. Back in 2013, I nearly pulled the trigger on a gunbroker deal for a very nice /1\ SKS that had a price of $800. Seeing what light refurb prices are now, I'm quite glad the deal never went through.
I tend to believe Ruslan's research over the pro ex-DDR guys as he is exceptionally thorough and careful. Everyone is free to make up their own minds, but all the data tends to point towards Irkutsk, not East Germany.
+1 on RM's request
Would love to see a good pictorial on that letter gun Korea1950 thumb1 :)
Quote from: running-man on January 21, 2017, 04:10:11 PM
Ex-DDR is a notion that was ginned up on gunboards many years ago.
I see, kinda like the numbers 1, 2 or 3 on the sight mean how accurate it is?
I mean really, if you got issued a 3 in the morning by lunchtime it would have accidentally fallen under a passing T72.
Whoops, i need a new rifle.
I wonder if anyone here is collecting refurb Russians just for studies on different refurb marks.
Quote from: newchi on January 21, 2017, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: running-man on January 21, 2017, 04:10:11 PM
Ex-DDR is a notion that was ginned up on gunboards many years ago.
I see, kinda like the numbers 1, 2 or 3 on the sight mean how accurate it is?
I mean really, if you got issued a 3 in the morning by lunchtime it would have accidentally fallen under a passing T72.
Whoops, i need a new rifle.
Probably right. I've owned 7 Russian SKSs over the last few years, and every one had a "1" stamped on the front sight. I think that was just something someone dreamed up to try and glean a few extra bucks on gunbroker, armslist, etc.
RunningMan.
Thanks for the reply to my posting on the SKS TM388 that I bought. I guess the stock looks shinny due to the lighting in the picture when it was taken. The stock has a good, hard red shellac coating (like other Russian rifles wood from this period) and it really does reflect light when it is pointed at the rifle. All the armory proof marks are very clear and as I said they are press/cut into the shellac and not covered by another non-original recoating. The red shellac coating is really unique and the gun is quite a "looker" which is one of the reasons that I bought it besides having all of the aspects of a "letter rifle"originality (correct markings, matching serial numbers throughout the entire rifle, etc.). Yes, I am sure that it has been fired, but I don't believe too much as the bolt carrier and internal moving parts show minimal friction wear. When I take a picture I will post it for another reference mark for us collectors..... Best regards
Quoth RM 599525705 MINT 1954 RUSSIAN SKS ALL MATCHING #'S 7.62X39 C&R COLLECTOR GRADE TULA USSR LIKE AK 47 AK47 29 $685.00 1954 Izhevsk Light Refurbished Good B798_У Might be a bit on the pricey side when all the dust settles in 2016. It is a nice gun though, w/o the stock finish wear it would have rated VG.
You do a great job in with all of these, RM.
Thanks for all the effort!
I agree. I overpaid, but not by too much I hope. I probably entered this auction too early and held the top bid for too long at $550.00 until some joker bid me up in the final hour. After that it was too hard to give up. Glad I ended up with it. More glad that it didn't get to my max bid (classified).
Out to the range with it this week I hope as my range closes for the month of February.
Quote from: korea1950 on January 21, 2017, 06:28:51 PM
RunningMan.
Thanks for the reply to my posting on the SKS TM388 that I bought. I guess the stock looks shinny due to the lighting in the picture when it was taken. The stock has a good, hard red shellac coating (like other Russian rifles wood from this period) and it really does reflect light when it is pointed at the rifle. All the armory proof marks are very clear and as I said they are press/cut into the shellac and not covered by another non-original recoating. The red shellac coating is really unique and the gun is quite a "looker" which is one of the reasons that I bought it besides having all of the aspects of a "letter rifle"originality (correct markings, matching serial numbers throughout the entire rifle, etc.). Yes, I am sure that it has been fired, but I don't believe too much as the bolt carrier and internal moving parts show minimal friction wear. When I take a picture I will post it for another reference mark for us collectors..... Best regards
No worries at all! It sounds like you're quite taken with it and it's certainly a nice one. I'm very partial towards the letter suffix guns with original ruby red laminate stocks myself. Whether laminate or hardwood, originally stocked letter guns just seem to be nice in general. thumb1
Quote from: pcke2000 on January 21, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
I wonder if anyone here is collecting refurb Russians just for studies on different refurb marks.
Just the photos of other peoples guns for me Cpt. Ke, just the photos. My wife already thinks I have too many in my collection as it is. :P
Quote from: running-man on January 21, 2017, 09:15:35 PM
Quote from: pcke2000 on January 21, 2017, 04:52:16 PM
I wonder if anyone here is collecting refurb Russians just for studies on different refurb marks.
Just the photos of other peoples guns for me Cpt. Ke, just the photos. My wife already thinks I have too many in my collection as it is. :P
RM, I too wish I have more money, time, and space for a big collection. I am 'fascinated' by refurb marks, not only the marks on Russian SKS's, but also those on other Russian/Soviet military equipment, and the history behind them. For example, on some refurb military binoculars you can find exactly same type of marks stamped on SKS. It seems like Russians love refurbishing old stuff. I was very surprised to see that in 2003 Russian army still used refurb B6x30 binoculars originally manufactured in 1941.
Yeah. I've kept up with some of the mega threads on guns.ru. The refurb stamps are quite fascinating when you really think about it. It was definitely an interesting system of traceability long before the advent of conputers, databases, and barcodes. thumb1