The "Scorpio SKS-15", just recently went on the market up here.
This is based on a SKS receiver in an aluminum modular chassis with a flat top picatinny with keymod slots at 3, 6 & 9 o'clock. It accepts XCR-L magazines and features ambidextrous AR15 style magazine release. Barrel has been threaded & cut to 18.5" in length. It also comes with AR15 pistol grip and M4 buttstock and is lighter than a SKS by half a pound.
(http://i.imgur.com/jsWh1OR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/igqAmdA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sR9QSRm.jpg)
Kinda cool... But weird
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 21, 2017, 10:25:48 AM
Kinda cool... But weird
I hear ya....I want to like it, but.....well not really my cup 'o tea.
That AR mag adapter sure looks familiar !!!! I'm assuming this is a Canadian item?
For those interested, look up USPTO Patent No: US D774,617 S, dated Dec 20, 2016. It is mine.
Marcus
Quote from: 1mlt on January 21, 2017, 10:52:15 AM
That AR mag adapter sure looks familiar !!!! I'm assuming this is a Canadian item?
For those interested, look up USPTO Patent No: US D774,617 S, dated Dec 20, 2016. It is mine.
Marcus
Sold up here, not sure of origin of manufacture though.
Looks like a two part sandwich construction and the mag part is incorporated into and part of the entire body.
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on January 21, 2017, 11:20:27 AM
Looks like a two part sandwich construction and the mag part is incorporated into and part of the entire body.
Vid makes it a little clearer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ZVhgurm_4
Im sure glad to see him protecting himself from infectious disease by wearing those rubber cloves.... he may also get a hangnail or dirt on his thumb!
I saw this a few weeks back, it like hey guys get your very own sks for 3 times the cost of an sks but none of the pretty wood or history. ::)
Quote from: newchi on January 21, 2017, 01:40:08 PM
I saw this a few weeks back, it like hey guys get your very own sks for 3 times the cost of an sks but none of the pretty wood or history. ::)
Pretty well sums it up for me too yup.
Buy our G9/A for 225.00 and put 575.00 back in your pocket. It attaches to the rifle. You don't have to hog out the mag well either.
Marcus
That's pretty neat actually. It's nice to see people still coming up with quality ideas to alter the SKS after all these years.
I really like that they incorporated the AR mag into the design. Pretty much covered all the bases of modernizing the SKS.
Quote from: Power Surge on January 21, 2017, 08:25:29 PM
That's pretty neat actually. It's nice to see people still coming up with quality ideas to alter the SKS after all these years.
I really like that they incorporated the AR mag into the design. Pretty much covered all the bases of modernizing the SKS.
Our G9 also incorporates the AR mag at a far lower cost. Ours also, "pretty much covers all the bases of modernizing the SKS".
Marcus
Quote from: 1mlt on January 22, 2017, 09:08:52 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 21, 2017, 08:25:29 PM
That's pretty neat actually. It's nice to see people still coming up with quality ideas to alter the SKS after all these years.
I really like that they incorporated the AR mag into the design. Pretty much covered all the bases of modernizing the SKS.
Our G9 also incorporates the AR mag at a far lower cost. Ours also, "pretty much covers all the bases of modernizing the SKS".
Marcus
Marcus... I know that you are sensitive about your mag adapter, but this thread has nothing to do with your adapter. This is a stock that incorporates a removable magazine, and uses an AR-15 mag release. This is nothing new. There are many other brands out there that make stocks that add removable magazines to guns that didn't have them. Your adapter is unique in how it attaches to the gun and that is your design, but you did not invent the removable magazine. It's just rectangular hole with a spring loaded release. The hole obviously has to be the size of the mag being used, and the release being used is a design that's been used on millions of other guns for decades. Nothing has been stolen from you.
As far as your adapter covering all the bases of modernizing an SKS, I'm pretty sure your adapter doesn't allow the user to use an AR style stock, AR style grip, picatinny rail, or keymod hand guard.
Quote from: Power Surge on January 22, 2017, 11:00:54 AM
Marcus... I know that you are sensitive about your mag adapter, but this thread has nothing to do with your adapter. This is a stock that incorporates a removable magazine, and uses an AR-15 mag release. This is nothing new. There are many other brands out there that make stocks that add removable magazines to guns that didn't have them. Your adapter is unique in how it attaches to the gun and that is your design, but you did not invent the removable magazine. It's just rectangular hole with a spring loaded release. The hole obviously has to be the size of the mag being used, and the release being used is a design that's been used on millions of other guns for decades. Nothing has been stolen from you.
As far as your adapter covering all the bases of modernizing an SKS, I'm pretty sure your adapter doesn't allow the user to use an AR style stock, AR style grip, picatinny rail, or keymod hand guard.
Agreed 100% Sal. It's a very unique design which incorporate much more than just a removable AR style magazine. The teardown on this sucker is an uber PITA though. Pull multiple bolts, pop out multiple pins, even have to unscrew the flippin mag release button just to be able to get to the guts for cleaning??!? It looks like an AR but it'll never be an AR (or an SKS for that matter) when it comes to ease of cleaning that's for certain! ;)
I wonder if these guys are the same guys that Murray talked about way back in 2014.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/benfm/alumstk_zpsaf712ca7.jpg)
I see more differences than similarities to be honest, but the whole aluminum framed 'stock' isn't a new concept for certain.
Quote from: Power Surge on January 22, 2017, 11:00:54 AM
Quote from: 1mlt on January 22, 2017, 09:08:52 AM
Quote from: Power Surge on January 21, 2017, 08:25:29 PM
That's pretty neat actually. It's nice to see people still coming up with quality ideas to alter the SKS after all these years.
I really like that they incorporated the AR mag into the design. Pretty much covered all the bases of modernizing the SKS.
Our G9 also incorporates the AR mag at a far lower cost. Ours also, "pretty much covers all the bases of modernizing the SKS".
Marcus
Marcus... I know that you are sensitive about your mag adapter, but this thread has nothing to do with your adapter. This is a stock that incorporates a removable magazine, and uses an AR-15 mag release. This is nothing new. There are many other brands out there that make stocks that add removable magazines to guns that didn't have them. Your adapter is unique in how it attaches to the gun and that is your design, but you did not invent the removable magazine. It's just rectangular hole with a spring loaded release. The hole obviously has to be the size of the mag being used, and the release being used is a design that's been used on millions of other guns for decades. Nothing has been stolen from you.
As far as your adapter covering all the bases of modernizing an SKS, I'm pretty sure your adapter doesn't allow the user to use an AR style stock, AR style grip, picatinny rail, or keymod hand guard.
PowerS, I'm not looking for a fight here. Ours "incorporates a removable magazine, and uses an AR-15 mag release" as well. That is all I'm referencing here. I never said anything was stolen. I said it looks familiar. All I'm suggesting is our G9 will allow AR style mags to be utilized in your SKS for 575.00 less cost. And guys, take note, a mag held in place with just the stock is NOT a good idea. We tried, we couldn't make it work consistently correctly. Just consider how well a optic holds/returns to zero on your SKS platform. No amount of screws will anchor that stock 100% to the SKS. Even with the AR platform, the mags are anchored to the receiver, not the stock. The anchor point(s) must be to the rifle. If that stock moves even a few thousandths of an inch it may not feed. Notice, I said "may not". A lot depends on tolerances of each individual rifle. Yes, it is a slick design. Is it worth 800.00? Not to me at least. Any video of the actual system/setup running?
Marcus
Haven't seen any vids of them yet Marcus.
P.S. that $800 price tag is in Canadian $ - or aprx 650 in US $.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k214/kissvids/SKSFILES/sputnik%20inside.jpg) (http://s89.photobucket.com/user/kissvids/media/SKSFILES/sputnik%20inside.jpg.html)
Quote from: Luke2236 on January 22, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
Haven't seen any vids of them yet Marcus.
P.S. that $800 price tag is in Canadian $ - or aprx 650 in US $.
Ah yes, hadn't considered the rate of exchange. OK then, 425.00 back in your pocket. That's a LOT of mags and ammo.
Marcus
Looks like that's out the door price for the "whole" rig.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/01/new-scorpio-sks-15-arrives-canada/
Quote from: 1mlt on January 22, 2017, 06:00:19 PM
Quote from: Luke2236 on January 22, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
Haven't seen any vids of them yet Marcus.
P.S. that $800 price tag is in Canadian $ - or aprx 650 in US $.
Ah yes, hadn't considered the rate of exchange. OK then, 425.00 back in your pocket. That's a LOT of mags and ammo.
Marcus
Well again....it's not really an apples to apples comparison here. Your mag adapter is an adapter. A part you buy to make a regular SKS use detachable mags. This is a finished rifle that has many other features.
Since you keep bringing up price vs value....let's look at that.
Your G9 adapter ($225) plus an average Chinese SKS in today's market ($400) would set someone back about $625.
This COMPLETE rifle cost $630 US, and also gives you a threaded barrel, keymod forend, AR pistol grip, AR buttstock, and full picattiny top rail. For $5 more than an SKS with your adapter.
I don't really think you are doing yourself any favors here by bringing up price.
NOW....with that said....this entire debate is probably for nothing, because this is a CANADIAN gun. It's still a surplus SKS that's been imported to Canada. The likely hood of one getting into the US is pretty slim.
sleek looks but nothing good to say about the take down procedure. I like moding the SKS beaters but in a far more mil spec. manner. Good to see new stuff come out tho....
The way I see it, if you are going to alter an SKS, most of the fun is in doing it yourself.
With this, it seems akin to buying a kit car assembled, but not having the parts to convert it back to a VW once the novelty wears off.
That being said, I like a lot of what the Canadians have come up with...it is like a new SKS aftermarket renaissance. Hopefully it continues. A nice side effect of things like this being done though...it is saving me a fortune on discarded Russian parts that would be spendy to say the least here, and much harder to locate. I am OK with that part of my fun being spoiled.
I must have pasted the photo link in my previous post over my text...which was along the lines of saying that this gun makes me think of how funny it would be to see the ISS that had that Sputnik Inside bumper sticker on it. Actually, it is worse...as the rifles these are being built upon actually pre-date Sputnik. chuckles1
That tidbit kind of blew my mind when I thought about it.
If I were Canadian, I would seek the means to suck up as much of the original parts market as you can now. Folks will want that stuff in the future...if we don't buy it all up down here.
If I were to handle one of these, I would be curious about how solid they are. It seems with all that stuff on there, it actually being lighter is surprising to me. I think what will make these rare is the ridiculous amount of takedown necessary. It seems really pointless to go to all that trouble with the main advantage being detachable magazines, when they can only be five rounders anyway.
I would think the Wartak type system and loading loose rounds would be as easy to accomplish as changing mags. You get full sized scopes and shell deflection...and you can revert back. It is a lot cheaper too. There are many aftermarket stocks that can offer a more modern look with modern features. You also can utilize the tried and true box mag, that is only at half capacity...saving money to feed it. :)
JnH, interesting observations. Something else, in Canada you cannot modify the mags. You can however, modify the rifle. By RCMP law, if you use a "pistol" marked mag in a rifle, it is still a pistol mag. That means legally, in Canada, you can run up to 10 rounds in a rifle. I suspect those mags are LCR pistol marked mags. The mods are permanent to the rifle and can't be undone. The 10 round allowance is why my G9 design was copied by HiCal. They do offer a rifle and adapter setup for about 650.00 Canadian (?). We opted to modify the mags as most guys won't want to modify the rifle permanently, (open the mag well), plus it is cheaper.
Marcus
Quote from: 1mlt on January 23, 2017, 09:13:27 AM
JnH, interesting observations. Something else here, in Canada you cannot modify the mags. You can however, modify the rifle. By RCMP law, if you use a "pistol" marked mag in a rifle, it is still a pistol mag. That means legally, in Canada, you can run up to 10 rounds.
Absolutely and it even goes a bit greyer than that - in Canada a mag's limit is defined by the amount/type of rounds it was designed/intended to hold. So there are in existence 5 round AR .50 Beowulf mags. Now it just so happens that these 5 round Beowulf mags will happily hold and feed 15 rounds of 5.56/.223 in any rifle that will accept AR mags. So, these mags are very very popular thumb1
QuoteYou also can utilize the tried and true box mag, that is only at half capacity...saving money
Sounds good in therory, but nope... Thats like eating half an Oreo and setting it down and walking away...You, I and everyone else knows you dont save crap...You just load it twice as much shooting an equal amount, in the end...your gonna eat that whole Oreo. rofl2 rofl
Quote from: Greasemonkey on January 23, 2017, 09:52:26 AM
QuoteYou also can utilize the tried and true box mag, that is only at half capacity...saving money
Sounds good in therory, but nope... Thats like eating half an Oreo and setting it down and walking away...You, I and everyone else knows you dont save crap...You just load it twice as much shooting an equal amount, in the end...your gonna eat that whole Oreo. rofl2 rofl
I was actually referring to not having to buy any aftermarket mags. Now that you put it that way, I guess you do save
some ammo reloading twice as often...or extend shooting time...win win. :)
I didn't know about the pistol mag 'loophole'...that is interesting. Y'know what you Canadian's ought to do? Since you have all these leftover SKS mags...make a cheapo blowback pistol, that is based around an SKS mag. I wonder if you were to utilize parts from an SKS, if it would be legal to modify those mags for a newly produced pistol? There you go, pistol mags. :)
I have another idea that might be revolutionary up there...but until I can figure out how to have the idea transferred to CAD, and then printed...I can't say anything. The laws it would skirt might even be helpful in the portions of the US that are trying to become soccer mom utopias...