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I still consider the Romy to be the best value in SKSs today.  They are built like tanks, even if they trend a bit uglier then their brethren.

• # sold: 4
• Lowest Sale Price: $390.00
• Avg. Sale Price: $466.47
• Highest Sale Price: $597.00
• As-Issued Avg. Price: $ 597.00

Please let me know any feedback (good or bad) to these.
If you have an objection or observation to add to anything I've listed, by all means call it out.  Let's look at it long and hard (I only look at each listing for a minute or two at most) and maybe everyone can learn a thing or two!  thumb1

-RM

Item Link | Description | # Bids | Final Price | Arsenal Condition | Current Condition | RM's Notes

• 624098286 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=624098286) | Romanian SKS 56 Cugir 1959 ALL Matching Numbers | 1 | $597.00  | As-Issued | Good | Hell of a nice gun.  Crappy photos, but hell of a nice gun.
• 628564760 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=628564760) | Romanian SKS 1958 Type 56 Romania | 9 | $405.00  | Bubba | Good | I do like the blank stock.  Very well done on the refinish.  Bummer about the mismatching receiver cover.
• 625033770 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=625033770) | Romanian SKS Type 56 Cugir | 3 | $390.00  | Bubba | Fair | This gun looks odd in a Russian stock...
• 632313624 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=632313624) | 1958 Cugir Romanian SKS mint condition | 4 | $551.00  | Refurbished | Good | Nice enough gun.  I don't know that I'd call it (or any Romy for that matter) "mint condition".  5.5 Benjamins may be a reach.
• 628126138 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=628126138) | Romanian SKS 7.62x39 1958 All Matching w/Sling | 8 | $473.88  | Refurbished | Good | Neat rack number on this one. Sling is a big bonus too.

(https://clone.sks-files.com/Pictures/GB_listings/2017/201703_Romanian.jpg)

Quote632313624 | 1958 Cugir Romanian SKS mint condition | 4 | $551.00  | Refurbished | Good | Nice enough gun.  I don't know that I'd call it (or any Romy for that matter) "mint condition".  5.5 Benjamins may be a reach.
628126138 | Romanian SKS 7.62x39 1958 All Matching w/Sling | 8 | $473.88  | Refurbished | Good | Neat rack number on this one. Sling is a big bonus too.

These two, prices should have been swapped on..  The $551 one has been refinished I'd say....look how dark and semi grundgy the inside of the handguard wood is vs. how light the outside wood is. Something is off with that....

550 wouldn't be a reach for the second.. 450 for a decent rifle, and 100(GreedBroker price) for a sling.. yeah.. worth it.

Quote628564760 | Romanian SKS 1958 Type 56 Romania | 9 | $405.00  | Bubba | Good | I do like the blank stock.  Very well done on the refinish.  Bummer about the mismatching receiver cover.

Looks like a ........Chinese unnumbered stock.. I've seen a few of these popping up elsewhere.

Quote from: Greasemonkey on April 04, 2017, 02:27:03 PM
These two, prices should have been swapped on..  The $551 one has been refinished I'd say....look how dark and semi grundgy the inside of the handguard wood is vs. how light the outside wood is. Something is off with that....

550 wouldn't be a reach for the second.. 450 for a decent rifle, and 100(GreedBroker price) for a sling.. yeah.. worth it.

Yeah that rifle could easily be refinished.  I went the safe route and said at the very least it isn't the stock that the gun was born with based on the lack of S/N.

I screwed up, the $551 gun didn't actually hit reserve, so it didn't sell.  I wish gunbroker wouldn't change banner colors so often, used to be a red banner would indicate that a gun didn't hit reserve.  Now that banner is gray with a large green button with the small "reserve not met" text in red.  Yeah not confusing there at all...

As an aside, the seller should have taken that $551, not even a nibble at $350 now.  chuckles1

Quote from: running-man on April 04, 2017, 02:42:07 PM

Quote from: Greasemonkey on April 04, 2017, 02:27:03 PM
These two, prices should have been swapped on..  The $551 one has been refinished I'd say....look how dark and semi grundgy the inside of the handguard wood is vs. how light the outside wood is. Something is off with that....

550 wouldn't be a reach for the second.. 450 for a decent rifle, and 100(GreedBroker price) for a sling.. yeah.. worth it.

Yeah that rifle could easily be refinished.  I went the safe route and said at the very least it isn't the stock that the gun was born with based on the lack of S/N.

I screwed up, the $551 gun didn't actually hit reserve, so it didn't sell.  I wish gunbroker wouldn't change banner colors so often, used to be a red banner would indicate that a gun didn't hit reserve.  Now that banner is gray with a large green button with the small "reserve not met" text in red.  Yeah not confusing there at all...

As an aside, the seller should have taken that $551, not even a nibble at $350 now.  chuckles1

Nah, I've already turned down $600 for it. I'm in no hurry, it's a nice rife. I am interested in your opinion on the stock though. I find it interesting I cannot seem to find a number but there's no Evidence of refinishing. I looked into it on Yooper Johns SKS site and learned one thing about the SKS is they're inexpensively crafted wartime rifles from poor countries. They have standards but they aren't set in stone. I believe it to be the original stock. I'd love to hear any ideas as to how I can prove or disprove the pedigree of the stock. Are there hidden numbers if I dis-assembled?

Amber shellac on a stock thats not even romanian.  Look at the length of the finger groove. Thats an alby replacmemt stock for a chicom.

Interesting.... why no serial number though? Albanians didn't serialize stocks? Why would an Albanian stock end up on a Romanian? Albanians are the only SKS more rare than a Romanian so it just seems odd. Anything else you can add to that?

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Interesting.... why no serial number though? Albanians didn't serialize stocks? Why would an Albanian stock end up on a Romanian? Albanians are the only SKS more rare than a Romanian so it just seems odd. Anything else you can add to that?

Wait...  which one is yours?  I may be looking at the wrong one. 

This is the one I was looking at http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628564760

Hi and welcome  thumb1

Good clear photos of the stock, inside the action, under the handguard. Any markings. The more pictures, the merrier. I have seen maybe half a dozen lately in Chinese stocks, and other makers stocks. Mostly becuase Romanians are known to have beat to death stocks, every imported batch had a very high ratio or rough ones vs. real nice ones. Also most I've seen had serialized stocks. I understand most people don't want ugly, so they replace or refinish and alot of pretty nice looking no stock serial Romanians popping up just kind of sounds an alarm.   Lately, my alarms are ringing loudly...

Here is one in what looks like a scrubbed Yugo stock
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/sks-rifles/sks-rifle.cfm?gun_id=100833249

This one I believe to be a an unnumbered Chinese stock.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628564760

I believe this one to be another unnumbered Chinese stock as well.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/sks-rifles/cai-sks-m56-cugir-romania-.cfm?gun_id=100823397

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on April 06, 2017, 10:43:14 PM

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Interesting.... why no serial number though? Albanians didn't serialize stocks? Why would an Albanian stock end up on a Romanian? Albanians are the only SKS more rare than a Romanian so it just seems odd. Anything else you can add to that?

Wait...  which one is yours?  I may be looking at the wrong one. 

This is the one I was looking at http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628564760

1958 all matching Romanian

His gun is http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=632313624 I believe LC.

It's beech. Sloppy finish like your typical Romy.  Hard to say with certainty, but the big difference in shades from the handguard vs. the stock tells me something has been done to that gun.  It didn't leave the factory like that.  I think I'd fall all over myself to sell that gun at $600.   

Why would you turn down 551, or 600? think1

Just curious. :)

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 11:00:00 PM

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on April 06, 2017, 10:43:14 PM

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Interesting.... why no serial number though? Albanians didn't serialize stocks? Why would an Albanian stock end up on a Romanian? Albanians are the only SKS more rare than a Romanian so it just seems odd. Anything else you can add to that?

Wait...  which one is yours?  I may be looking at the wrong one. 

This is the one I was looking at http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628564760

1958 all matching Romanian

If its this one...  http://www.gunbroker.com/item/632313624

Then its a refurb as seen by the faint square stamp with numbers within on the upper wrist area..... only Romys I have seen these on were ALL refurbs.  The stock has not been refinished.  Romanias refurb process was very inconsistent to say the least. Some no numbers, some HUGE FONT numbers, some stamped on wrong side, some missing the letter prefixes, some stamped sideways.   You has a replacement stock that was installed in Romania during a refurb and has not been refinished since.

(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/632313000/632313624/pix368946965.jpg)

Quote from: Greasemonkey on April 06, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Why would you turn down 551, or 600? think1

Just curious. :)
Because I like it  :)

Quote from: Greasemonkey on April 06, 2017, 10:47:43 PM
Hi and welcome  thumb1

Good clear photos of the stock, inside the action, under the handguard. Any markings. The more pictures, the merrier. I have seen maybe half a dozen lately in Chinese stocks, and other makers stocks. Mostly becuase Romanians are known to have beat to death stocks, every imported batch had a very high ratio or rough ones vs. real nice ones. Also most I've seen had serialized stocks. I understand most people don't want ugly, so they replace or refinish and alot of pretty nice looking no stock serial Romanians popping up just kind of sounds an alarm.   Lately, my alarms are ringing loudly...

Here is one in what looks like a scrubbed Yugo stock
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/sks-rifles/sks-rifle.cfm?gun_id=100833249

This one I believe to be a an unnumbered Chinese stock.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628564760

I believe this one to be another unnumbered Chinese stock as well.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/sks-rifles/cai-sks-m56-cugir-romania-.cfm?gun_id=100823397

Wow! Thanks for all the info! The last one looks just like mine. Also like mine, the top cover is darker. I wonder if I have the original hand guard with a Chinese stock. 

Quote from: Greasemonkey on April 06, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Why would you turn down 551, or 600? think1

Just curious. :)

Because I can  rofl

Did you....  see my post?

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 11:13:27 PM

Quote from: Greasemonkey on April 06, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
Why would you turn down 551, or 600? think1

Just curious. :)

Because I can  rofl

I wish you the best a luck. thumb1
Just my opinion and my lousy .0000002 cents rofl I'm sure someone will pay, it just going to be a waiting game now, I mean I've seen some doozys lately go for, in my opinion very unrealistic prices.

but.. it's technically not matching, metal is matching yes, but, the stock doesn't, while a unnumbered stock could be deemed technically correct, it doesn't number match. This to a serial number watcher collector or someone who prides themselves on total number matching weapons, could be seen as a ding, even more so than one that everything matches on that has been shot many times.
A "totally or all" numbers match Romanian thats a non-refurb with a factory Romanian sling that number might be obtainable today. Usually the totally matching Romanians carry the premium over the mismatchy/sterile ones, because few made it through the years of service, repair, refurb as a "totally" matching weapon.

Again, just my opinion  :)

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on April 06, 2017, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 11:00:00 PM

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on April 06, 2017, 10:43:14 PM

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Interesting.... why no serial number though? Albanians didn't serialize stocks? Why would an Albanian stock end up on a Romanian? Albanians are the only SKS more rare than a Romanian so it just seems odd. Anything else you can add to that?

Wait...  which one is yours?  I may be looking at the wrong one. 

This is the one I was looking at http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628564760

1958 all matching Romanian

If its this one...  http://www.gunbroker.com/item/632313624

Then its a refurb as seen by the faint square stamp with numbers within on the upper wrist area..... only Romys I have seen these on were ALL refurbs.  The stock has not been refinished.  Romanias refurb process was very inconsistent to say the least. Some no numbers, some HUGE FONT numbers, some stamped on wrong side, some missing the letter prefixes, some stamped sideways.   You has a replacement stock that was installed in Romania during a refurb and has not been refinished since.

(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/632313000/632313624/pix368946965.jpg)

I guess I don't see the square.

Whats this... And does it have numbers in it? 


(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee269/mrcoinring/mrcoinring002/Screenshot_20170407-115910.png)

Looks like the same location of the sanded and refinished stock that came on my Romanian.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/bbush44/RA1684-1960/20140626_000938.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/bbush44/media/RA1684-1960/20140626_000938.jpg.html)
Same lighter finish also.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/bbush44/RA1684-1960/20140704_134938.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/bbush44/media/RA1684-1960/20140704_134938.jpg.html)
I found a more traditional finished stock on feebay, that was closer to my hand guard finish, and swamped it.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/bbush44/RA1684-1960/20140725_123222.jpg) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/bbush44/media/RA1684-1960/20140725_123222.jpg.html)

And.... There you have it. 

Its a nice gun... Just has a replacement stock done by Romania.   thumb1

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on April 06, 2017, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 11:00:00 PM

Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on April 06, 2017, 10:43:14 PM

Quote from: JDA on April 06, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
Interesting.... why no serial number though? Albanians didn't serialize stocks? Why would an Albanian stock end up on a Romanian? Albanians are the only SKS more rare than a Romanian so it just seems odd. Anything else you can add to that?

Wait...  which one is yours?  I may be looking at the wrong one. 

This is the one I was looking at http://www.gunbroker.com/item/628564760

1958 all matching Romanian

If its this one...  http://www.gunbroker.com/item/632313624

Then its a refurb as seen by the faint square stamp with numbers within on the upper wrist area..... only Romys I have seen these on were ALL refurbs.  The stock has not been refinished.  Romanias refurb process was very inconsistent to say the least. Some no numbers, some HUGE FONT numbers, some stamped on wrong side, some missing the letter prefixes, some stamped sideways.   You has a replacement stock that was installed in Romania during a refurb and has not been refinished since.

(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/632313000/632313624/pix368946965.jpg)

These are examples of the variations LC speaks about, typical normal factory serial, on the left side

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/58%20Romanian/0ead060e-776a-4251-b69e-f26484a2e660_zps060fb9d5.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/58%20Romanian/0ead060e-776a-4251-b69e-f26484a2e660_zps060fb9d5.jpg.html)

large font, missing serial letter prefix on the right side.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/58%20Romanian/SAM_1407_zps9a965c14.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/58%20Romanian/SAM_1407_zps9a965c14.jpg.html)

But both stampings in this case, also match the serial.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/58%20Romanian/SAM_1409_zps5e2abc9f.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/58%20Romanian/SAM_1409_zps5e2abc9f.jpg.html)

On the wrist, these are the typical markings of the Cugir factory stamps in various stages of wear and tear, the middle being the best.

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/SAM_1226_zps6a780b96.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/SAM_1226_zps6a780b96.jpg.html)

Two more uncommon marks that can be found is the Romanian /FMA 115\ triangle stamp, the same stamp can be found also on Romanian Ak mags and other items. Usually these two are lost quick, due to there shallow nature, especially when sand paper or steel wool comes into play.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/SAM_0280_zpse68e9a30.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/SAM_0280_zpse68e9a30.jpg.html)

And the MNBSCP right side finger groove stamp
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/SAM_0281_zps07939ddf.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/SAM_0281_zps07939ddf.jpg.html)
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/SAM_1219_zpsd0a94d4a.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/SAM_1219_zpsd0a94d4a.jpg.html)

These are all marks that would attract high end buyers/collectors.

Great stuff GM!  thumb1 You  should write a guide on these Romanian SKSs...oh, wait, you did  doh1  chuckles1

https://clone.sks-files.com/index.php?topic=266.0

Thanks for all the info gents! Im glad to learn about the serial number on the back of the stock. I always thought it may be a faint number but even with a magnifier couldn't really be certain. Seeing a square stamp in good shape it makes more sense. I bet Canada is full of nice ones! Watch the Chinese section later this weekend. I need to learn more info on my SKSS Paratrooper, not for sale... Info is very scarce on them.

Actually, any Romanian SKS would be highly desired in Canada...just ask some of our northern neighbors.  thumb1

And Im sure Powersurge will be more than helpful with the Chinese SKSS thumb1

Well fellas it's official...... I sold an AK instead to fund a new rifle project so I could keep my Romanian. The more I learned from you all the more I struggled with selling it. So that being said, where is a good place to find an authetic Romanian stock and sling? I know this one is an "authentic" refurb, but I want an authentic original. Obviously there is no chance I'll find one with a matching serial number but it sounds like I'm still better off with a non matching authentic then a non matching refurb correct?

Whats not authentic about it?   Its a Romanian stock refurbed in amber..... By the Romanians. 

Just leave it alone. 

+1 to leaving the stock alone.   It's a nice one!  thumb1

Slings are around. eBay or gunbroker is your best bet. They occasionally turn up on the trader at gunboards. Expect to wait months and pay north of $70 for one though.

Finding a non refurb or regular Romanian SKS is not overly difficult. But..you might run in to the same game... a person selling on GreedBroker for an astronomically high price, just because they can, or just be patient, and locate a private seller, local LGS, local gun fun club, even a local buy and sale board for a decent price.

Trust me....deals are around, I watch,  and wait and snipe them locally. Patience can pay off in dividends in collecting.

Quote from: Greasemonkey on April 08, 2017, 11:53:04 PM
Finding a non refurb or regular Romanian SKS is not overly difficult. But..you might run in to the same game... a person selling on GreedBroker for an astronomically high price, just because they can, or just be patient, and locate a private seller, local LGS, local gun fun club, even a local buy and sale board for a decent price.

Trust me....deals are around, I watch,  and wait and snipe them locally. Patience can pay off in dividends in collecting.

How many non refurb Romanians do you have ? If you have 1 then you have more then me. Ive seen them but always late for the party when they come up for sale. Closest I have is a all matching including the stock but no letter prefix to go with the numbers on the stock only.. Then theres my Girl ! With no numbered stock.. And no, No shipping to Va and nothing is free today :-*

 bat1

Quote from: Direct Connection on April 09, 2017, 01:19:28 PM

How many non refurb Romanians do you have ? If you have 1 then you have more then me. Ive seen them but always late for the party when they come up for sale. Closest I have is a all matching including the stock but no letter prefix to go with the numbers on the stock only.. Then theres my Girl ! With no numbered stock.. And no, No shipping to Va and nothing is free today :-*

Oh.. just 1 or 2.. not counting the PSL, M44 Mosins, M1969 .22 trainers, a Romanian refurb Vz24 and Tokarevs :) I have a special place for Romanian stuffs....just like Czech stuffs, err and Yugoslavian.  chuckles1 :)   I stumbled across one of them there Romy SKS stripper pouches at a shop recently for a couple of bucks..it came home with me thumb1

OK....I will cover shipping..Checks in the mail buddy, specially for that luscious hunk of sex  drool2  thumb1  Hopefully your mail ain't like that P32 guys, his stuffs always gets lost in transit. cry1

(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af283/C13mechanic/Romanian%20sks/SAM_1447_zps50780c2d.jpg) (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/C13mechanic/media/Romanian%20sks/SAM_1447_zps50780c2d.jpg.html)


And put the cleaning rod in....looks so naked..  rofl :P

Ha ha ha Yea a sks without a cleaning rod is like a missing front tooth chuckles1..   Thats a mighty fine display of Romainians indeed. Especially with 2 all matching and all that Romanian leather clap1.  p32's probably testing out that nasty creacher he recently bought...