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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => Russian SKS => Topic started by: Hotrod on June 16, 2020, 09:31:06 PM

Title: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 16, 2020, 09:31:06 PM
It’s been seen around, but not on this forum. For your viewing pleasure/displeasure haha, here she is
(https://i.ibb.co/0fcdbLH/A1-D70-E73-88-D0-4-F60-97-D9-D52-D11033391.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vJHKnW0)

(https://i.ibb.co/fdd1nLc/D6-B2-D05-A-7-EA2-43-DD-883-F-ECDCA9-DD214-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zVVn7Dk)

(https://i.ibb.co/0B8pcsz/5-C69-A571-00-C1-412-E-AC2-E-05-CD0-F3-C500-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZHtRV2b)

(https://i.ibb.co/Ryr34sW/4-E8293-F4-D883-478-D-969-C-11-DBE718-F43-F.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TLj4q75)

(https://i.ibb.co/SK3hG8s/25092813-0-E4-F-494-B-AC55-E513348-B00-D0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dQ5dxqW)

(https://i.ibb.co/F3XLJkP/5-F378-A72-6185-450-D-B140-54157-CAC7-A1-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fF9ztVc)

(https://i.ibb.co/GVJYMW3/6-F59-AD69-5-EE5-4397-A66-A-6-BFE3-C6-A7044.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CntC9bs)

(https://i.ibb.co/rpxN8Kw/0-DB73332-EB4-D-4-EBA-8-FAE-5-CC6-A8-BBDA0-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3FpQ65C)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZJzjSfS/4-CA9-BA7-D-340-B-4-BCA-A264-1-EA5-D725928-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LPdFr0r)
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Bubbazinetti on June 16, 2020, 10:21:44 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Shoot The Refurbs on June 16, 2020, 11:19:15 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Beautiful example!!!
Could i be so bold as to ask what a piece like that set you back or are you the original purchaser from the importer?
Gorgeous rifle my friend, I'm jealous.
-STR
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 16, 2020, 11:28:20 PM
No problem. Pawn shop score of under 1k and over 500....right in the middle. I need to get some better full on pics up.
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Shoot The Refurbs on June 17, 2020, 12:08:40 AM
Whenever you do post more i'd like to see the front end of that piece
I'd say you did pretty good  8)
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 12:20:02 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/Rp61Y3b/699-DDF30-FB8-C-40-D2-9-B8-C-81-EC06-F6-C123.png) (https://ibb.co/ynkDd6P)

(https://i.ibb.co/yfqT1Pf/E79816-CE-CC9-A-4-FCC-B58-F-941984672-A0-D.png) (https://ibb.co/Lk1wWRk)

(https://i.ibb.co/bmJmV5S/5-AC08031-B903-4-C3-F-A592-3-EC127-ED1-F2-F.png) (https://ibb.co/4tdtLR6)

(https://i.ibb.co/1QyFnbp/2-A91-F582-4297-49-EB-B383-6425-CBAC9366.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6w9jZNp)

(https://i.ibb.co/5ncmpDb/19-E5-F0-BF-427-D-4495-AB26-243-C29-DF8-A76.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rcyY8PD)

(https://i.ibb.co/dj3grHd/C390-CE65-57-D5-4-CE8-B280-819-F1863-A733.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bQyJPGS)

(https://i.ibb.co/7p4VRFB/536-EF9-C4-7164-4-FED-B4-EB-01-F63-A8-C5130.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5jFvnVC)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZfGmJNt/C2-B413-C8-F2-A1-44-A9-8433-44-E27-B5-FE302.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VLJmN3r)
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 12:21:32 AM
Note: sale price isn’t accurate
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Boris Badinov on June 17, 2020, 02:06:40 AM
Cover does not appear to be original to the rifle, opening the possibility that the rifle is a 1949 d.o.m.

Nice catch either way.

Congrats
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Boris Badinov on June 17, 2020, 02:10:18 AM
OP, can you post a photo of the bayo cutout in the stock ferule? Interested to know if the ferule originally cut for a spike bayo.
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Phosphorus32 on June 17, 2020, 04:49:54 AM
Great buy! I’d grab any 90 degree gas block SKS-45. Does it have a spring-loaded firing pin?
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: carls sks on June 17, 2020, 08:54:24 AM
nice, looks in great shape. thanks for sharing.  thumb1
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Bacarnal on June 17, 2020, 09:23:55 AM
Looks like another example of a hand engraved cover.  Very nice piece!!!
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: running-man on June 17, 2020, 10:57:01 AM
Great example!

First EO in the database too.  It fits right in however, as ЕБ, ЕВ, ЕМ, and СО all have '50 covers with 90° gas blocks.

That's a definite keeper, transitional '50s' are hard to come by in any condition and that is a honest a refurb as you'll find.   
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 11:46:53 AM
I’ll post some more pictures after work today. The bayo cutout/ferrule is set up for blade. Firing pin is spring loaded.
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Bacarnal on June 17, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
Looks like it's got the revised bolt and carrier.
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Boris Badinov on June 17, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: Bacarnal on June 17, 2020, 01:09:12 PM
Looks like it's got the revised bolt and carrier.

Its the early bolt and carrier and spring loaded firing pin.
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Justin Hell on June 17, 2020, 06:53:20 PM
This is the gun that convinced me that my EO 1821 was indeed an early 50. 

Mine is a hump gun that has a matching EO bolt, carrier, receiver, and gas piston, with nearly everything else donated by a Canadian early 50 Ey that was cannibalized there.

It now has Ey parts covering the bases, Stock, receiver cover, trigger group, gas tube (I also have the piston)....even the front sight block.  The only non matching part from the Ey was the magazine, (typical in Canada) it is a KO which is the correct type with the gapped spine.  The stock is hardwood, but xxxxed and force matched. The cover, unfettered other than the refurb stamp. The trigger group, also period correct, does show signs of scrubbing....but not rough scrubbing, as if to remove a serial....but as if to make a flatter spot to stamp perhaps?  It looks like that to me anyway....it's flat but not obviously hit by a belt sander.

I took off the non refurb marked, but partially scrubbed 49 cover I got from Russia and put on the matching Ey one....but kept the blued bayonet vs. switching to a 'normal' matte silver one, as this one doesn't retain it's stake marks. I lean towards the blued ones being the earliest blades, and think the painted black ones are where the idea of the blued ones being a refurb indicator came from. Just my opinion....but given the option to install either a chromed, blued, or matte...I like blued best anyway. :)   I use the chromed one to stab at my plecostomos when he starts trying to suck the slime off of my other fish.  chuckles1 After seeing the OP's gun...I did pick up a matte one, but that one looks just great on my 59 letter gun.

I also switched out the 49 cleaning kit for a 50 cleaning kit, and picked up a period correct sling for her.  All of which are pretty tall orders to find these days. I had to get them all from Russia.  I don't recommend that these days unless you are very patient. I am still awaiting a photograph ordered four months ago....stupid virus.

One thing I am curious about on the OP's gun is the magazine....I don't remember if this was resolved on the Gunboards post last year, but does it have the pin in the bottom of the magazine or not?  The earliest mags did not, and wondered if this one being an early 50 still retained that (lack of) feature.  Since my mag doesn't match anyway....if the pinless one is correct, I will continue my search.  Otherwise the only friggin thing keeping this gun from being complete is the receiver cover latch's pin....which fell out and disappeared somewhere during the only ten rounds fired through her since she came into my life.  Try finding THAT!   banghead1

It is pretty safe to say Ey is also in the early 50 block, despite not ever seeing the receiver.   RM, is there any KO info out there? since it is a non scrubbed mag, with the spine gap....I kinda assume earlyish 50 too?
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Boris Badinov on June 17, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
On the OP carbine, the cover and magazine serial font are the same. But their font does not match the receiver.

This creates a possibility that the carbine is a 1949 d.o.m. with a replacement cover , no?
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Justin Hell on June 17, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: Boris Badinov on June 17, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
On the OP carbine, the cover and magazine serial font are the same. But their font does not match the receiver.

This creates a possibility that the carbine is a 1949 d.o.m. with a replacement cover , no?

Perhaps, especially if the magazine is indeed lacking the pin for the spring stud.   But, there are an awful lot of E prefix early 50s. As much as I hope mine is a 49, it is more likely an early 50....especially since that article was posted about Russia not having a blade for the SKS at the time of adoption, and that spikes likely made it until around February 1950...it makes me wonder how far into 1950 that the hand struck covers endured before they started stamping them.....I consider those as 'early' 50s....even though they might have carried on well into the year, and the 'late' covers for the multitude of  1950 latch types came further into the year, but who knows when?  The 49/50 transitionals seem to be the most fascinating of all the SKS flavors. More seems to be known of the 'grail' SKSs than these.

What is the word for headscratcher in Russian?   rofl
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 07:42:46 PM
A few more pics. Mag has pin. Spine of mag has the gap.
(https://i.ibb.co/b5rCG3q/1-B32-A9-B0-B170-4570-8-C72-E4-BCFE3-B4077.jpg) (https://ibb.co/s9FNXPk)

(https://i.ibb.co/fxXLnFd/4-F4-C04-C4-8711-4459-91-C6-4-FD33-C1-C7-FA0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RDgdBbT)

(https://i.ibb.co/L6cfYrg/1266-A9-A6-632-B-48-FE-8-F5-F-58-EFE2040644.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TR75Y10)

(https://i.ibb.co/MhTgG24/48658-DB8-0956-4-FA8-B3-DA-09-CE9-A737399.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FWvh0xM)

(https://i.ibb.co/p0bQd2q/FF6-CCEC9-5-E16-48-FE-B94-A-74845-A2-A8-DA5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yfdpq02)
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 07:44:53 PM
Boris? What is d.o.m.?
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Boris Badinov on June 17, 2020, 07:54:07 PM
d.o.m. = Date of Manufacture.

Do you have any fotos of cut in the stock ferule?
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 08:03:23 PM
I shoulda have caught that lol...brain fart. Here’s the pics
(https://i.ibb.co/0mWgQPZ/BD61-DB57-DC8-A-4-AA3-A7-F4-AF3-AE85-BAD30.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xXcp3VG)

(https://i.ibb.co/FBTSfTj/CC7-BE7-FB-2-DC4-48-AF-BEB9-BB0-D32-CF1-D9-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jLXcxX1)
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 08:05:35 PM
Maybe a bit better pics
(https://i.ibb.co/93yHd42/D54-A484-B-16-EF-440-D-B446-C5-F599-EDB377.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fGrdTNt)

(https://i.ibb.co/L1Kvy19/2-F5-D0-A79-A9-A6-4885-82-C6-461310-CADB5-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rH9vhH5)
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Boris Badinov on June 17, 2020, 08:16:07 PM
Ferule appears to have been made for a blade bayonet. Not definitive, but it's pretty good indication IMO that original bayonet for this rifle was a blade.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Justin Hell on June 17, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
if only there was a way to x ray under the stock ferrule to see if the barrel was notched for a top pin for a spike ferrule originally.  I doubt either of us will knock it off to see.

I am very glad to see the pinned magazine....mine is as good as it's gonna get, and I have one less unicorn to hunt.

If you happen to have a micrometer, the length and diameter of the latch pin's pin would be a great piece of data for a guy like me. I keep hoping mine will just fall out of the trigger group or the recoil spring....so far, no dice. :P
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Hotrod on June 17, 2020, 09:27:00 PM
Just checked Justin. I’ll need to get a battery for my micrometer. Maybe this weekend
Title: Re: Earlyish 50
Post by: Bubbazinetti on June 17, 2020, 11:08:36 PM
Quote from: Justin Hell on June 17, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
if only there was a way to x ray under the stock ferrule to see if the barrel was notched for a top pin for a spike ferrule originally.  I doubt either of us will knock it off to see.

I am very glad to see the pinned magazine....mine is as good as it's gonna get, and I have one less unicorn to hunt.

If you happen to have a micrometer, the length and diameter of the latch pin's pin would be a great piece of data for a guy like me. I keep hoping mine will just fall out of the trigger group or the recoil spring....so far, no dice. :P

It is possible to x-ray the barrel through a industrial radiologist but it is cost prohibitive or out of reach for most folks.