Got this yesterday. Tapco stock along with an unnumbered wood stock that has about 1 inch cut off and another plastic sporter stock. Also 6 Tapco duckbill mags and almost 400 rounds of Silver Bear. Guy had a scope on it and his son started hunting with this rifle.
I searched around a bunch but couldn't find any info on guns with these markings so I come here begging for info.
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1978 arsenal [0136] commercial rifle with a lot of missing stuff.I have a 1976 type 56 from that same arsenal but imported by Navy Arms with all matching numbers and a LH type 4 scope rail riveted to it.
Yup, 1978. Neutered bayonet lug and cleaning rod retaining notch on the front sight base. Likely done by Norinco for the AWB era, especially if the bluing looks consistent.
nice find ,never seen that code
What's up with the ribbed barrel? I have to look at the extra plastic stock for any markings, may have been marketed as some sort of sporter? He included the original numbered mag.
Quote from: lowell66dart on December 31, 2020, 04:28:57 PM
What's up with the ribbed barrel?
It's normal, seen quiet a few like that, seen it on Mak 90s and others. I have one or two with that style barrel, even my Mak 90s have it.
Went back and looked at the date info here and now I see where the 1978 timeframe comes from. Thanks everyone.
I looked just now at past auctions on GB and it doesn't seem to be anything special and with mine missing the stock and having modified components this may be my bubba project gun.
Quote from: lowell66dart on December 31, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Went back and looked at the date info here and now I see where the 1978 timeframe comes from. Thanks everyone.
I looked just now at past auctions on GB and it doesn't seem to be anything special and with mine missing the stock and having modified components this may be my bubba project gun.
Let the games begin. ::) PAX
Hey Lowell, nice little bubba piece ya got there.
BTW, I make a folding adapter for that stock if you're interested, making up 2 now so one more wouldn't be a problem, lol.
lowell66dart,
If you need a black ATI HG pm me your address and I'll get on to you. PAX
With the help of these guys before long your rifle will be transformed into a profeshkinal bubba. :)
I have a AK 74 with an Ace folder and another 47 with an underfolder so I think I will leave this one as is for now.
Thanks for the offer on the handgrip. I want to see if I can find a cheese grater style with the round holes.
Spoke with my machinest buddy last night. He said no problem on cutting, crowning, cutting a pin slot etc. Probably gonna cut reverse threads too to hang some kind of ornament on the end. He cut a Polytech M1A for me and threaded it for a Miculek comp. We are a great team. I come up with these bright ideas and he does the skill part.
Happy New Year all you commi gun loving folks!
Quote from: lowell66dart on January 01, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
I have a AK 74 with an Ace folder and another 47 with an underfolder so I think I will leave this one as is for now.
Thanks for the offer on the handgrip. I want to see if I can find a cheese grater style with the round holes.
Spoke with my machinest buddy last night. He said no problem on cutting, crowning, cutting a pin slot etc. Probably gonna cut reverse threads too to hang some kind of ornament on the end. He cut a Polytech M1A for me and threaded it for a Miculek comp. We are a great team. I come up with these bright ideas and he does the skill part.
Happy New Year all you commi gun loving folks!
I have that too. PM me PAX
Quote from: echo1 on January 01, 2021, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: lowell66dart on January 01, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
I have a AK 74 with an Ace folder and another 47 with an underfolder so I think I will leave this one as is for now.
Thanks for the offer on the handgrip. I want to see if I can find a cheese grater style with the round holes.
Spoke with my machinest buddy last night. He said no problem on cutting, crowning, cutting a pin slot etc. Probably gonna cut reverse threads too to hang some kind of ornament on the end. He cut a Polytech M1A for me and threaded it for a Miculek comp. We are a great team. I come up with these bright ideas and he does the skill part.
Happy New Year all you commi gun loving folks!
I have that too. PM me PAX
I already got him PAX, unless of course he likes yours better, LOL. :P whistle12
Handguard found!
The bolt cover is drilled and tapped for a scope base and I have an old scope so... I think I will do the drill and tap bolt cover mod to replace the hold down lever and TRY to keep the scope zeroed. Anyone done this? Looking for drill size, thread size, source for a nice black button head bolt etc.
Got my cheesegrater on and the next step is the barrel chop. The bayo lug is messed up so I was thinking about removing the front sight assembly and cutting it right behind the sight post. It would then be pinned to the barrel with one pin only which should be fine? Clean things up and drop a little weight. We do not have access to a mill so any advice on cutting the pin slot?
While it's chucked up cut some threads too. I was thinking 5/8x24 but looks close on having enough material.
Quote from: lowell66dart on January 12, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
Got my cheesegrater on and the next step is the barrel chop. The bayo lug is messed up so I was thinking about removing the front sight assembly and cutting it right behind the sight post. It would then be pinned to the barrel with one pin only which should be fine? Clean things up and drop a little weight. We do not have access to a mill so any advice on cutting the pin slot?
While it's chucked up cut some threads too. I was thinking 5/8x24 but looks close on having enough material.
So, if I understand correctly, you are going to leave enough of the machined part of the barrel that the FSB presses onto to re-install just the front portion of the assembly and thread on a muzzle device.(about 1.25"-1.5")
First part, the muzzle device, you will want to use M14-1 muzzle device and threading die for that. Either LH(AK type) or RH(Yugo M59/66 type) You can use 9/16"-24, but I recommend sticking with metric.
As for the pin groove, I have not tried this yet, but have heard of threading the pin holes on each side of the sight and using set screws to pinch and lock the sight in place. Definitely would want to make sure of alignment and boresight it before appying any loc-tite to the screws. I would use red loc-tite for sure.
You can also start with a hacksaw and then a drill bit to create a crude pin slot, but good luck getting it lined up properly so your post doesn't end up canted.
To add, 5/8 requires .60" diameter and you only have .51" at the machined sight area. Behind the machined are is .58" which would be M15-1
Quote from: lowell66dart on January 12, 2021, 11:09:52 AM
Got my cheesegrater on and the next step is the barrel chop. The bayo lug is messed up so I was thinking about removing the front sight assembly and cutting it right behind the sight post. It would then be pinned to the barrel with one pin only which should be fine? Clean things up and drop a little weight. We do not have access to a mill so any advice on cutting the pin slot?
While it's chucked up cut some threads too. I was thinking 5/8x24 but looks close on having enough material.
The black rifle is cut that way, to use a neutered FSB, then recrowned and an 11* muzzle face cut.
The cheese grater rifle is cut to 16.5" and has a 14X1 LHT short TriDelta brake, same muzzle work. If you go further than the stock FSB undercut, you need to use an annular cutter for the 14X1 thread die OD. PAX
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Let me try and be a little more clear so you guys stop me from doing something stupid. I will make the cut at 16.5. Machine the barrel to accept the modified front sight as noted in the pic above. Then thread for a muzzle brake. I printed some data off of the CNC Warrior website. It looks, as you have all said that there is not enough material for 5/8 x 24. I am not going to buy anything until the cut and machine work is done and measured again.
I read somewhere that the front sight pins are 3mm. If that is true what do you all think about using a 3mm endmill cutter in a drill press. I would press on the front sight and use the pins hole as a guide. I have a nice press and an older big drill press in very nice shape.
Bear in mind, if you cut the barrel back to 16.5" you may need to drill out the gas port as well otherwise it will short cycle due to the gas escaping too quickly because of the shortened barrel. Now, I'll add a couple other things into the mix.
1. On Echo1's pic, the 3rd rifle down, if that is the one you are referring to he simply cut the barrel down and added a Prince50 Paratrooper clamp-on front sight. It is aftermarket and bolts onto the rifle without any machine work needed to the barrel.(other than cut and crown)
2. If you cut right behind the FSB where it steps up, that is approximately 17.25". It is a safe in-between length so you don't have to mess with the gas port. You can still take an annular cutter to hand-machine down the barrel(CNC makes the kit up to 2" in depth) and do your modified FSB if you desire, or you can simply crown it there and buy the aftermarket front sight I mentioned.
And yes, I believe the pins are 3mm and yes, if you can lock down your action and get your position marked properly a round end mill bit in a drill press can work if you can lock the depth to get consistent passes so as to get a correct position to 12 O'clock and depth.
More to think about. Thanks!
The black rifle came with a poor non-square cut at 18.5", and no front sight base. What was left of the OG muzzle tip I left so it would have some resemblance of stock. It's a little over thinking on the pinning of the FSB. You can eyeball it square, etch a mark, eye ball a shallow channel with a jeweler's file, then pin. But I have a FSB removing tool, which is handy for that job.
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The cheese greater rifle is cut at 16.5", standard Para length, but I suppose you could cut it shorter and have 16.5" with the brake. Then you may have to open the gas port. Going forward for me, if I cut any more, I'm leaving enough for the FBS. I've done 3 that way. PAX
I didn't shoot this rifle since I bought it, weather's been nasty. The sheriffs range is open Thursday and it's supposed to be 65 degrees. It has a lead sled so I am going to try and get a before and after on the accuracy. Why I don't know.
As soon as the shootings done I will remove the sight and get a look at the pin groove. The file gives me an idea. My table on the drill press is big. I could secure the whole thing down level, put the file in my drillpress and roll the barrel into the spinning file.
What's that sight puller look like. I'm a gearhead with tons of pullers and was thinking about how to make one.
The front sight base retaining pins are 2.5mm diameter.
Standard type puller specifically for the SKS. PAX
https://www.matrixprecisionparts.com/sks-and-enfield-tools/sks-front-sight-removal-tool
Thanks guys.
As a side note, since PAX posted on the tools, I emailed Matrix and the owner got back to me. He does not produce the pin removal tool anymore. He said too many people were breaking the pin driver portion of it. He does still have the FSB puller and install tools.
Quote from: Greatguns on January 13, 2021, 09:53:06 AM
As a side note, since PAX posted on the tools, I emailed Matrix and the owner got back to me. He does not produce the pin removal tool anymore. He said too many people were breaking the pin driver portion of it. He does still have the FSB puller and install tools.
Yeah, I called him a couple years ago and he said the same thing, which I could imagine. The last 2 SARCO builds I did, I had to take the actions to a smith to remove 2 I couldn't. I destroyed a few punches trying and so did the smith. PAX
Oh boy, sounds like fun. I ordered the two tools he does produce this morning.
I've used a 3/32 starter punch or nail set and a bench block to get those pins in and out.Helps a lot to have the action out of the stock then jigged level and clamped to a bench to perform those operations.
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on January 13, 2021, 02:05:13 PM
I've used a 3/32 starter punch or nail set and a bench block to get those pins in and out.Helps a lot to have the action out of the stack then jigged level and clamped to a bench to perform those operations.
The 2 SARCO units I got must have been stored in an Albanian salt mine for 50 years. Bad corrosion everywhere except inside the receivers and the barrels. One FSB pin was easy to punch out, the other 3 were "fused" to the barrel. One I completely butchered, because I knew I was chopping the sight globe off, the other one I saved the complete FSB. One action I cut to 18.5" to stay legit in a Shernic bull pup. That length and a Ramline brake kept OAL to 30.5". The other got bobbed to 16.5" and a P50 installed. I ended up tradin that Para build for a Cowboy Companion barreled action. I had the T89 mount and a correct inletted stock to assemble as a CC. PAX
On a wholly unrelated note - Lowell, do you have a 66 Dodge Dart?
Quote from: Larry D. on January 14, 2021, 02:55:44 PM
On a wholly unrelated note - Lowell, do you have a 66 Dodge Dart?
My spousal unit had one. PAX
That's a nice ride.
Used to. I drag raced it for about 10 years. It would run a high nine in the quarter if I let it. It was a social thing really. Then track management changed, friends quit racing, race gas and fees doubled etc. Around that same time bought my grandfathers property right on the Mississippi river. Built a house, shop and tractor shed. Bought a tractor, and another and so on so sold the car. Currently have five anywhere from 35 to 125 hp. I plant 4000 stalks of Perique Tobacco every spring. Any of you smoke cigars there are blends out there with this tobacco. Only grows in this parish and only about 20 or so of us left doing it. I'm 4th generation on this land to do it. It's my exercise program that pays me.
Missed the car so got a military Humvee and went through it top to bottom. Had fun with it but wife didn't want to drive it so sold it and bought a 2016 Challenger R/T Shaker. Now that thing is fun.
Finally getting around to setting up my gun room and going to start reloading again and shooting more. Have a few Polytech M1A's that I reload for. Also have a Shuff's Mini G that I need to buy dies for. He did a BM59 para for me too.
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Got to the range today. Windy as hell but warm anyway. The gun went bang so now I know it works. Had an OLD Weaver scope on it and with one adjustment had it shooting nice.
The pins on the front sight assembly came right out. From what I see with my cheapo calipers the 14x1 left hand thread is the way to go. Going to bring it by my retired machinist buddy tomorrow to do some measuring and come up with a plan.
Still wanting to go 16.5. Would the addition of the comp/brake help the gas port issue any?
Quote from: lowell66dart on January 14, 2021, 09:57:07 PM
Got to the range today. Windy as hell but warm anyway. The gun went bang so now I know it works. Had an OLD Weaver scope on it and with one adjustment had it shooting nice.
The pins on the front sight assembly came right out. From what I see with my cheapo calipers the 14x1 left hand thread is the way to go. Going to bring it by my retired machinist buddy tomorrow to do some measuring and come up with a plan.
Still wanting to go 16.5. Would the addition of the comp/brake help the gas port issue any?
Depends on the design. I would do what you want to do then test her out. If you get short cycle then open up the port. Just remember, a little is a lot.
You may even get lucky and not have any issues.
Don't forget if you go to 16.5" you'll need an annular cutter for 14X1 LHT die. I don't know the specs, my bud has the tools, I just borrow them from him. PAX
The difference of the OD at 16 1/2" vs 17 3/8"(step up right behind the oem fsb) is nominal and at the M15(.58") so yes, you would need an annular cutter to turn down the barrel to M14(.51") at least 1 1/8" deep for your modded fsb and the MB. Then the threading tool and keep in mind, only the AK uses LH thread others, like the yugo SKS, are RH thread and there may be more options available in MBs in RH thread.
M14=.551" not .51",that is M13.
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on January 15, 2021, 03:12:45 PM
M14=.551" not .51",that is M13.
Yup, divide metric sizes by 25.4mm/inch to convert mm to inches, i.e., convert to the old British Monarchy's system of measurements that we use in the US rofl
Quote from: Bubbazinetti on January 15, 2021, 03:12:45 PM
M14=.551" not .51",that is M13.
Yeah, brain malfunction, meant to put .55" not .51"
Thanks for all the info. We cut it today. Came out at 16.25. Modified the front sight so this will be a press on and one pin deal. We were able to chuck it up after the cut and machine for the sight and then cut a little deeper for the threads. Ordered the die and pilot today. Also ordered a comp/break.
The tools I mentioned above came in today. Nice stuff and that guy ship fast.
Since you were able to us a lathe to turn the barrel, was there a specific reason you went bayoless? Myself, I think that set up looks really clean. PAX
Someone had already chopped most of the lug off and it was ugly. Also the bolt cover has been drilled and tapped and the original stock is missing. So with all that I don't feel too bad making this a bubba. Here's a pic of my buddy's work and another pic of what another friend sold me today. I have really good friends!
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Quote from: lowell66dart on January 15, 2021, 05:17:00 PMHere's a pic of my buddy's work and another pic of what another friend sold me today. I have really good friends!
REALLY good friend there. I’ll be honest here, aside from my close family, there are exactly zero friends I would consider selling *any* ammo to these days.
My boss was complaining that he just finished the last of his .22 mag ammo the other day at the range. Said he guilted one of his buddies into selling him a couple of boxes because there is none to be had anywhere around town at any price. I just grinned and smiled. I don’t own a 22 mag, but oddly enough I have several thousand rounds of it (accumulated when it was dirt cheap many moons ago) just in case...
I wish I’d have had that foresight to have *really* stocked up back then. Could have made a pretty penny in these ridiculous times!
Quote from: running-man on January 17, 2021, 11:21:03 PM
My boss was complaining that he just finished the last of his .22 mag ammo the other day at the range. Said he guilted one of his buddies into selling him a couple of boxes because there is none to be had anywhere around town at any price. I just grinned and smiled. I don’t own a 22 mag, but oddly enough I have several thousand rounds of it (accumulated when it was dirt cheap many moons ago) just in case...
Here you go: https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ammunition/
Show him that and tell him you know a guy that *might* sell some for about half that price....... ;)
Threading tools and brake finally came in. Maybe tomorrow I can try and see if will function.
Friend gave me this made in japan Tasco red dot. The ATI with the cheekrest works nice so the Tapco will be for a rifle I haven't bought.
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Looks really nice there Lowell.
Looks like it handles nice. PAX
Got to put a dozen rounds thru it today, functions fine. Darn red dot won't adjust left or right.
Just noticed it, looks like it is on backwards. Turrets should be on top and right with illumination knob on the left or top. That is the standard configuration of all scopes and dots. Unless there is something I don't know about it with that knob on the left side, but the illumination knob/dial wouldn't usually be on top AND in front of the elevation turret.
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Good eye my friend. Let me start by saying this is the first red dot I have ever held or used. Downloaded some install instructions and the only way I see a red dot is to mount it as shown in the picture above which is backwards. When I couldn't get the windage to move I gave up.
A couple of days ago Amazon sent me this offer of %20 off and one day shipping on the cheap micro dot. A friend had bragged on them and I saw a video where a guy just totally abused the heck out of the poor thing and it held up so $41 later it showed up late today. I didn't like the single screw attachment so I put something else on for now. Gotta go shoot it but the dot on 1 equals like 6 on the Tasco.
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Yes, backwards. PAX
Hey Lowell, just sent you a PM