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SKS Carbines => Unaltered SKS Rifles => Chinese SKS (Military) => Topic started by: Phosphorus32 on August 11, 2021, 08:52:21 PM

Title: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 11, 2021, 08:52:21 PM
Probably...


Picked this one off of GunBroker about three weeks ago. It didn't appear to have any import marks, based on the mediocre, low-resolution Gunbroker pictures, and it had the look.

I received it yesterday, and I've had it apart to verify that it lacks import marks. Given the consistent patina and the absence of import marks I'd say it's a highly likely bring-back from Vietnam. The 9th to 13th year Type 56s seem to be most common bring-backs, so I'm pleased to get one of these early ones. I checked under the buttplate, no hidden papers (if you've been reading Gunboards posts, you'll know what I'm talking about). Mismatched bolt.

I love the look of the patina on the bolt carrier, receiver cover and buttplate. The stock and handguard have no shellac but they do have ground-in oily dirt, which seems like a perfect damp jungle soil color.

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(https://i.ibb.co/9nW4J2K/06-left.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D4QMNkc)

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(https://i.ibb.co/TvqJMTT/08-left.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1vJBGnn)

(https://i.ibb.co/wzLr4h2/09-SN-receiver.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZMJ1xzb)

(https://i.ibb.co/9VLxd4C/10-SN-rec-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gPp0cWB)

(https://i.ibb.co/hF5d4rP/11-SN-bolt-carrier.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SwTmMHh)

(https://i.ibb.co/4Tpc47S/12-SN-bolt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zRZ1Pr2)

(https://i.ibb.co/xfKCp9W/13-SN-mag.jpg) (https://ibb.co/txwm7jg)

(https://i.ibb.co/DCWjZKB/14-SN-triggerguard.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tsK19C0)

(https://i.ibb.co/cT7NNdK/15-SN-stock-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q1PRRwL)

(https://i.ibb.co/LC29xHR/16-SN-gas-piston.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GVbCWNp)

(https://i.ibb.co/PCqQGbg/17-patina-bolt-carrier.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Th9LMnt)

(https://i.ibb.co/Rv99sQz/18-patina-rec-cover.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VjttzM2)

(https://i.ibb.co/FJBQCBR/19-patina-buttplate.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Zf0vfH)
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: running-man on August 11, 2021, 11:44:36 PM
drool2

She’s a beaut Jon!  That stock color is actually quite gorgeous IMO, just like the early guns should look like!  thumb1

How’s the bore on this one look? 
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 12:33:42 AM
Quote from: running-man on August 11, 2021, 11:44:36 PM
drool2

She’s a beaut Jon!  That stock color is actually quite gorgeous IMO, just like the early guns should look like!  thumb1

How’s the bore on this one look?

Thanks Joe! I'm very happy with it. The bore looks bright and shiny. Gauges "1", .301, on my CMP bore gauge.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: lowell66dart on August 12, 2021, 08:25:19 AM
Looks very nice. Good score. I have been trying to trade for one locally for a few months now, money won't get it. The rifle I am looking to get has a very narrow stock where the finger grooves are. It was very noticeable when I held it. Anyone else run across this before?
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Boris Badinov on August 12, 2021, 10:55:38 AM
Another beauty, Phos.

The stories that rifle could tell.

thumb1
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Matchka on August 12, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
Nice! No question why the bolt is a replacement - this no import beauty was a 'workhorse for the original owner. Great find!
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Boris Badinov on August 12, 2021, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 12:33:42 AM


Thanks Joe! I'm very happy with it. The bore looks bright and shiny. Gauges "1", .301, on my CMP bore gauge.

Interesting.

OEM spec is .311 or .309?

Do you ever slug your bores?
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: lowell66dart on August 12, 2021, 08:25:19 AM
Looks very nice. Good score. I have been trying to trade for one locally for a few months now, money won't get it. The rifle I am looking to get has a very narrow stock where the finger grooves are. It was very noticeable when I held it. Anyone else run across this before?

Thanks!  Narrow in the foreend I've observed most often with someone who has sanded the stock, or sometimes the Albanian replacement stocks, which just have more variability from spec. in every dimension.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 02:19:42 PM
Quote from: Boris Badinov on August 12, 2021, 10:55:38 AM
Another beauty, Phos.

The stories that rifle could tell.

thumb1

Thanks Boris! 



Quote from: Boris Badinov on August 12, 2021, 12:16:46 PM
Quote from: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 12:33:42 AM


Thanks Joe! I'm very happy with it. The bore looks bright and shiny. Gauges "1", .301, on my CMP bore gauge.

Interesting.

OEM spec is .311 or .309?

Do you ever slug your bores?

I've rarely slugged a bore, and never an SKS. Occasionally, I've done it for a very worn firearm to determine if there is any groove depth left.

I believe spec on the SKS is nominally .310 (7.87mm) for the diameter to the grooves. Spec for the bore, aka diameter to the lands, is .300 (7.62mm).
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 02:21:59 PM
Quote from: Matchka on August 12, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
Nice! No question why the bolt is a replacement - this no import beauty was a 'workhorse for the original owner. Great find!

Thanks!

It definitely saw a lot of carry and probably a fair amount of use. I imagine the bolt got mistakenly swapped during a group cleanup session, but who knows for sure. Given the relatively light wear in the bore, I doubt that the original bolt went out of spec through use and was replaced intentionally.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Bob_The_Student on August 12, 2021, 03:53:54 PM
Damn it, Jon!!! I'm not commenting on your guns anymore I've run out of adjectives to describe them.  :P :P

Seriously, why don't you send me your address I send a check for $400 for this SKS and I can add another $600 for the Husqvarna.  dance2

The SKS is just plain cool. Love the look. Another great find.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 04:49:44 PM
Quote from: Bob_The_Student on August 12, 2021, 03:53:54 PM
Damn it, Jon!!! I'm not commenting on your guns anymore I've run out of adjectives to describe them.  :P :P

The SKS is just plain cool. Love the look. Another great find.

rofl Thanks for that!  I'm definitely pleased with this one.



Quote from: Bob_The_Student on August 12, 2021, 03:53:54 PM
Seriously, why don't you send me your address I send a check for $400 for this SKS and I can add another $600 for the Husqvarna.  dance2

think1 your numbers are remarkably close  clap1 $400 was the purchase price, save a penny, on the Type 56 but I did pay one Grant more than your six Benjamins offer for the M/07 (Simpson's isn't the cheapest place in town, though they are more often reasonable on Swedes and Swiss firearms). Alas, they aren't for sale at the moment  :)
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Bacarnal on August 12, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
Nice rifle, Jon!!  I would suggest dragging the bayonet behind your car on a gravel road to age it, but I know that you'll probably use some acid vapor solution or something else chemistryee for it chuckles1 wink1.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 12, 2021, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: Bacarnal on August 12, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
Nice rifle, Jon!!  I would suggest dragging the bayonet behind your car on a gravel road to age it, but I know that you'll probably use some acid vapor solution or something else chemistryee for it chuckles1 wink1.

rofl Yes, good catch. It did come without a bayonet and I installed the worst one I had on hand to complete it, but it does look a bit too nice. The bayonets generally held up quite well in the hot and humid environment, so I'll probably just leave it alone. Of course if I were to age it, I would prefer to do it like you said, a bit of acid etching or something along those lines.  8)
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 13, 2021, 06:02:56 PM
Took a half day off and went out to the range, I brought this Type 56 along because...why not?  :)) This old gal has the grittiest heaviest trigger of any SKS I’ve fired. The trigger group may need a deep cleaning  ;)

Anyhow, rapid controlled both eyes open bench shooting at 100 yards with the sight on the 100m setting. I’ll take 6moa. The dispersion shows that the sights are basically spot on.


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Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: running-man on August 13, 2021, 06:37:31 PM
Very nice!  thumb1

Not necessarily a tack driver, but certainly minute-of-man accuracy there.  10 ea. 1 inch long, 123 grain slugs hitting you @ right around 2000ft/s near one's center of mass would certainly ruin one's day.  explode1
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 13, 2021, 10:46:31 PM
Quote from: running-man on August 13, 2021, 06:37:31 PM
Very nice!  thumb1

Not necessarily a tack driver, but certainly minute-of-man accuracy there.  10 ea. 1 inch long, 123 grain slugs hitting you @ right around 2000ft/s near one's center of mass would certainly ruin one's day.  explode1

Yup, it's currently highly acceptable  rofl  I may try pulling that trigger group out and giving it a good soak and detailing to see if I can decrease the grittiness and 8.75 lb trigger pull  :o (no hyperbole, average of 5 pulls using the Lyman trigger gauge).

If I can improve that trigger it'd be worth trying some slow-fire 5 shot groups. The sights are certainly on target.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 14, 2021, 12:29:21 PM
I guess it was mostly sand and a bit of corrosion. Gave it an overnight soaking in mineral spirits containing about 10% SAE30. Brass brush and cotton swabs for a detailed cleaning and corrosion removal. Lubed with oil and wiped down. The grittiness is gone and it's a consistent 6.5 lb trigger pull (avg. of 5). Still not light but at least I removed 2.25 lbs of resistance. I'll have to get her out to the range again, maybe treat her to some Chinese surplus for a slow fire session.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: BMont on August 14, 2021, 05:00:09 PM
Sweet catch man... great rifle for a fair price.
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 14, 2021, 06:25:12 PM
Quote from: BMont on August 14, 2021, 05:00:09 PM
Sweet catch man... great rifle for a fair price.

Thanks man!  thumb1
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 30, 2021, 11:47:18 AM
Nice one Phos.   clap1
Title: Re: A ghost of Vietnam
Post by: Phosphorus32 on August 30, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Loose}{Cannon on August 30, 2021, 11:47:18 AM
Nice one Phos.   clap1

Thanks LC  thumb1