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While it's a cryin' shame bubba got his hands on it in the first place, it's still a nice rifle and the Butler Creek/K-Sports stock is probably the premier aftermarket conventional style stock out there. A little heavier than most, other than the CE/ATI MC stock maybe, it is better balanced with great aesthetics and a good all around LOP. Good catch there Worm. thumb1
Quote from: Greatguns on March 20, 2024, 10:10:56 AM
While it's a cryin' shame bubba got his hands on it in the first place, it's still a nice rifle and the Butler Creek/K-Sports stock is probably the premier aftermarket conventional style stock out there. A little heavier than most, other than the CE/ATI MC stock maybe, it is better balanced with great aesthetics and a good all around LOP. Good catch there Worm. thumb1
Agreed. Thanks!
The Izzy is still up on my bucket list , nice catch enjoy 👍🏼
Papahound
Quote from: Papahound on March 20, 2024, 10:27:01 AM
The Izzy is still up on my bucket list , nice catch enjoy 👍🏼
Papahound
Will do! Thanks!
Nice catch Mitch! That stock certainly looks sharp on that carbine!!
Many will tell you that you are correct in that an Izhevsk fit and finish is better than Tula, but honestly I think that is all perception bias as I've not really seen all that much of a difference.
The magazine being lined out means this carbine was a refurb in Russia anyhow, so Bubba didn't exactly paint over the Mona Lisa when he decided to swap out the stock and the handguard.
I have an identical K-Sports green stock I got from GG a good while ago that I still haven't put to use yet. Maybe with this inspiration I'll get off my rear and get a project truck gun going?! thumb1
Quote from: running-man on March 20, 2024, 11:09:39 AM
Nice catch Mitch! That stock certainly looks sharp on that carbine!!
Many will tell you that you are correct in that an Izhevsk fit and finish is better than Tula, but honestly I think that is all perception bias as I've not really seen all that much of a difference.
The magazine being lined out means this carbine was a refurb in Russia anyhow, so Bubba didn't exactly paint over the Mona Lisa when he decided to swap out the stock and the handguard.
I have an identical K-Sports green stock I got from GG a good while ago that I still haven't put to use yet. Maybe with this inspiration I'll get off my rear and get a project truck gun going?! thumb1
Yeah she's definitely a refurb. That's okay though I'm sure she'll function fine & that's what I'm really after here. These stocks are great aren't they? I almost want to spray mine M81 woodland since the green is already there. Might be a fun project, & I agree with your truck gun idea you should get on that! That's essentially what this is going to be, a national forest/ATV/hunting/camping companion.
Question for ya, I'm not all up to snuff on Ruskies.. were there many refurbs with no black paint? I'm assuming there were different refurb arsenals and maybe some didn't apply that?
Quote from: Worm on March 20, 2024, 11:18:39 AM
Question for ya, I'm not all up to snuff on Ruskies.. were there many refurbs with no black paint? I'm assuming there were different refurb arsenals and maybe some didn't apply that?
There were definitely different levels of refurb and yes the refurb shops all did things a slight bit differently depending on the condition of the carbine needing work and their standard procedures. With really light refurbs, sometimes the original stock was simply sanded and refinished (but not reserialized) and the hard parts all left as original. People see those carbines and start tossing out "unfired", "unrefurbished", and "unissued"....except there's obvious shellac/lacquer fill in the stock S/N or a small refurb stamp somewhere.
The other light refurbs where the stock is XXX'd, a part is scrubbed and restamped, parts reblued, etc. is a much easier 'refurb' for most collectors to identify and ding in price, though if they are mostly left intact they can still get unwitting collectors to pay high $$ (think of the Ex-DDR craze back in 2010 timeframe). Of course, the heavy refurbs with BBQ black paint are the easiest to ID as you can see them from a mile away and most collectors know what they are.
At the very bottom end would be a bubba'd carbine that loses the most value (or at least it should, sometimes a bubba'd carbine will actually increase the value if the carbine was in notably bad shape prior to the work being done). I guess the bubba'd guns that simply have a stock change would be in a different category than say, a gun chopped to 16" with a muzzle brake welded in place too.
10-4. Great info as always RM, appreciate it. thumb1
Looks great but myself if I had spare laminate, I'd have it in that, mainly because it's Russian, and put a Paratrooper in the K-Sport. That's what I did with a KSI Para, cloned a Parka Para (minus the park) and with a Ramline HG. Cloned a Stealth Para too from another KSI Para, correct Ramline stock but not K-Sport branded. PAX
(https://i.ibb.co/5hyjms1/002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zVY2pPm) (thanks Greatguns)
(https://i.ibb.co/9YJWXP3/stealth-para.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JkNHLZF)
Quote from: echo1 on March 20, 2024, 02:38:31 PM
Looks great but myself if I had spare laminate, I'd have it in that, mainly because it's Russian, and put a Paratrooper in the K-Sport. That's what I did with a KSI Para, cloned a Parka Para (minus the park) and with a Ramline HG. Cloned a Stealth Para too from another KSI Para, correct Ramline stock but not K-Sport branded. PAX
(https://i.ibb.co/5hyjms1/002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zVY2pPm) (thanks Greatguns)
(https://i.ibb.co/9YJWXP3/stealth-para.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JkNHLZF)
I dig it thumb1
I do plan on redoing the laminate (came on a Chinese that did time in Albania, so she's basically black with gunk but still in great shape) and will dress it up here n' there I'm sure. No para's laying around though haha
Quote from: Worm on March 20, 2024, 03:30:58 PM
I dig it thumb1
I do plan on redoing the laminate (came on a Chinese that did time in Albania, so she's basically black with gunk but still in great shape) and will dress it up here n' there I'm sure. No para's laying around though haha
The black rifle is currently my favorite rifle (until my Ruger .22 lever shows up ::) ). The Ramline stock and that setup is the lightest SKS I've got. I really like the profile how it blends to the mag. PAX
Quote from: echo1 on March 20, 2024, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: Worm on March 20, 2024, 03:30:58 PM
I dig it thumb1
I do plan on redoing the laminate (came on a Chinese that did time in Albania, so she's basically black with gunk but still in great shape) and will dress it up here n' there I'm sure. No para's laying around though haha
The black rifle is currently my favorite rifle (until my Ruger .22 lever shows up ::) ). The Ramline stock and that setup is the lightest SKS I've got. I really like the profile how it blends to the mag. PAX
Yeah that actually does look pretty good.a Ruger lever .22? Sounds fun
I've got a green Russian too, PAX
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac159/adpax/DSCN0687_zpsf9af62cf.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/adpax/media/DSCN0687_zpsf9af62cf.jpg.html)
Quote from: echo1 on March 20, 2024, 09:36:58 PM
I've got a green Russian too, PAX
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac159/adpax/DSCN0687_zpsf9af62cf.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/adpax/media/DSCN0687_zpsf9af62cf.jpg.html)
Oh sweet! I love that!
Quote from: Greatguns on March 20, 2024, 10:10:56 AM
.....the Butler Creek/K-Sports stock is probably the premier aftermarket conventional style stock out there.....
I've got another home-grown 18.5" rifle in a black Butler Creek with no vent Choate HG, neutered FSB, Mojo rear sight and 5 round mag. Light & quick to acquire, like ghost rings. PAX
(https://i.ibb.co/YbSHb4n/001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HXy5XLw)